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	<title>Comments on: Save the 26-Valencia? Really?</title>
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		<title>By: alex</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2008/07/10/save-the-26-valencia-really/#comment-29147</link>
		<dc:creator>alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Mar 2011 13:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[paratransit is awful you have to call the day before to schedule a pick up time. 
not only that but paratransit costs 4$ for each trip! 
its cheaper than a taxi but still expensive as fuck! 
paratransit is AWFUL. what a joke.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>paratransit is awful you have to call the day before to schedule a pick up time.<br />
not only that but paratransit costs 4$ for each trip!<br />
its cheaper than a taxi but still expensive as fuck!<br />
paratransit is AWFUL. what a joke.</p>
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		<title>By: gardner</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2008/07/10/save-the-26-valencia-really/#comment-1119</link>
		<dc:creator>gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Jan 2011 15:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[thanks for that breath of fresh air, heather.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for that breath of fresh air, heather.</p>
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		<title>By: cosmicblatherings</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2008/07/10/save-the-26-valencia-really/#comment-1118</link>
		<dc:creator>cosmicblatherings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 04:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i hate to flame, but what a bunch of insufferable douchebags. &quot;whoa, i didn&#039;t, like, actually know that, like, there was even a bus like that. or, like, people ride it. &#039;cos i helluv don&#039;t.&quot;

it doesn&#039;t make sense to me that those who don&#039;t use a bus route would have a voice in its future, or lack thereof.  when you have no vested interest in a controversy, sometimes it&#039;s time to just shut your fuckin&#039; pie-hole.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i hate to flame, but what a bunch of insufferable douchebags. &#8220;whoa, i didn&#8217;t, like, actually know that, like, there was even a bus like that. or, like, people ride it. &#8216;cos i helluv don&#8217;t.&#8221;</p>
<p>it doesn&#8217;t make sense to me that those who don&#8217;t use a bus route would have a voice in its future, or lack thereof.  when you have no vested interest in a controversy, sometimes it&#8217;s time to just shut your fuckin&#8217; pie-hole.</p>
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		<title>By: heather</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2008/07/10/save-the-26-valencia-really/#comment-1117</link>
		<dc:creator>heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 19:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Try getting paratransit.&quot; Luxurious paratransit. Are you shittin&#039; me, theo? Try getting a fast pass on a fixed budget. TRY getting paratransit. TRY trying to use paratransit to get to an appointment on time. Paratransit is VERY hard to get, and the funds are extremely limited. ignorant people like you make me sick.

You&#039;ve never even been on a bus, I&#039;d guess.

Well, let them have cake!!

God the people here are so callous. Wait till you get sick and old, just you freakin wait. Your won&#039;t be so bitchin&#039; then.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Try getting paratransit.&#8221; Luxurious paratransit. Are you shittin&#8217; me, theo? Try getting a fast pass on a fixed budget. TRY getting paratransit. TRY trying to use paratransit to get to an appointment on time. Paratransit is VERY hard to get, and the funds are extremely limited. ignorant people like you make me sick.</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve never even been on a bus, I&#8217;d guess.</p>
<p>Well, let them have cake!!</p>
<p>God the people here are so callous. Wait till you get sick and old, just you freakin wait. Your won&#8217;t be so bitchin&#8217; then.</p>
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		<title>By: heather</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2008/07/10/save-the-26-valencia-really/#comment-1116</link>
		<dc:creator>heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[oh and another thing: most comments here reflect the opinions of those with plenty of cash to maintain their preferred mode of transit anyway, the car. so I hardly think those of this class have the slightest understanding of what I just posted.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh and another thing: most comments here reflect the opinions of those with plenty of cash to maintain their preferred mode of transit anyway, the car. so I hardly think those of this class have the slightest understanding of what I just posted.</p>
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		<title>By: heather</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2008/07/10/save-the-26-valencia-really/#comment-1115</link>
		<dc:creator>heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[obviously, the posters here have opinions without experience.

the reason the 26 Valencia is being eliminated is because it&#039;s always been starved of support/buses. before nextbus.com started tracking the buses on the line, apparently a lot of drivers got away with not showing up. without nextbus.com, you couldn&#039;t tell when it was going to arrive. of course, with the old regime, why bother having the line. with some oversight, it was starting to get real increases in ridership. I&#039;ve come to rely on it for the majority of my errands.

I don&#039;t know why it couldn&#039;t be truncated to just those streets that are not otherwise served.

what doesn&#039;t the 14 cover? plenty. Valencia St. for one, then the area around Market and Gough.

For all you healthy kids - which is what you sound like - easy for you to walk. nice you enjoy it.

but when I ride the 26 during the day, it&#039;s often full-up, with seniors, moms with little kids, disabled people, and kids from elementary/junior high school. I don&#039;t see hardly any noe valley hipsters - really, admit it, noe valley is your comfort zone, but outside your budget - so what would you know about it? Go make some snide comments about something else you know nothing about.

On a map, it looks like the 14 mission will carry over, but obviously none of you have tried the little walk, more like a hike - on long blocks with no clear route to Market/Gough - you&#039;d have to cross two streets that are basically highways, Mission and Otis - get off at Mission and Division and see how easy it es to get to Market and Gough. The 14 is totally inadequate if your not a strapping young person.

none of the deciders have walked up the hill from mission to church to another supposed alternative, the j line. looks so close and easy on a map, doesn&#039;t it? well, it&#039;s not and it&#039;s not an adequate substitute route for seniors and disabled folks.

and is the 14 going to run any more buses on the line to make up for the 26? is it going to be as safe and non-nasty? No, of course not.

RIP Valencia bus - nobody cares about the poor, kids, moms, old and disabled people anyway.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>obviously, the posters here have opinions without experience.</p>
<p>the reason the 26 Valencia is being eliminated is because it&#8217;s always been starved of support/buses. before nextbus.com started tracking the buses on the line, apparently a lot of drivers got away with not showing up. without nextbus.com, you couldn&#8217;t tell when it was going to arrive. of course, with the old regime, why bother having the line. with some oversight, it was starting to get real increases in ridership. I&#8217;ve come to rely on it for the majority of my errands.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know why it couldn&#8217;t be truncated to just those streets that are not otherwise served.</p>
<p>what doesn&#8217;t the 14 cover? plenty. Valencia St. for one, then the area around Market and Gough.</p>
<p>For all you healthy kids &#8211; which is what you sound like &#8211; easy for you to walk. nice you enjoy it.</p>
<p>but when I ride the 26 during the day, it&#8217;s often full-up, with seniors, moms with little kids, disabled people, and kids from elementary/junior high school. I don&#8217;t see hardly any noe valley hipsters &#8211; really, admit it, noe valley is your comfort zone, but outside your budget &#8211; so what would you know about it? Go make some snide comments about something else you know nothing about.</p>
<p>On a map, it looks like the 14 mission will carry over, but obviously none of you have tried the little walk, more like a hike &#8211; on long blocks with no clear route to Market/Gough &#8211; you&#8217;d have to cross two streets that are basically highways, Mission and Otis &#8211; get off at Mission and Division and see how easy it es to get to Market and Gough. The 14 is totally inadequate if your not a strapping young person.</p>
<p>none of the deciders have walked up the hill from mission to church to another supposed alternative, the j line. looks so close and easy on a map, doesn&#8217;t it? well, it&#8217;s not and it&#8217;s not an adequate substitute route for seniors and disabled folks.</p>
<p>and is the 14 going to run any more buses on the line to make up for the 26? is it going to be as safe and non-nasty? No, of course not.</p>
<p>RIP Valencia bus &#8211; nobody cares about the poor, kids, moms, old and disabled people anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: theo</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2008/07/10/save-the-26-valencia-really/#comment-1114</link>
		<dc:creator>theo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 22:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;if you need to go from glen park to anywhere on valencia and handicapperz can’t take expensive BART and/or walk very far, the 26 is the only transportation.&quot;

So about 2 people out of the 1.5 million who live and work in the city will be inconvenienced by canceling the 26? That sounds about right.

Your handicapped coworkers/clients should look into either getting a monthly Muni pass, which allows them to ride BART within the city for free, or using the luxurious paratransit service, which gives them free cab rides in exchange for leaving the 26 to be put out of its misery.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;if you need to go from glen park to anywhere on valencia and handicapperz can’t take expensive BART and/or walk very far, the 26 is the only transportation.&#8221;</p>
<p>So about 2 people out of the 1.5 million who live and work in the city will be inconvenienced by canceling the 26? That sounds about right.</p>
<p>Your handicapped coworkers/clients should look into either getting a monthly Muni pass, which allows them to ride BART within the city for free, or using the luxurious paratransit service, which gives them free cab rides in exchange for leaving the 26 to be put out of its misery.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenparker</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2008/07/10/save-the-26-valencia-really/#comment-1113</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenparker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 01:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When I was growing up as a kid in the early 70&#039;s the 26 Valencia was the bus I took to St. Thomas More every day. Glen Park was serviced by the 26 and the 10 Monterey. As usual when the bus made the left off of Chenery onto Diamond it seemed like it was always the 10 Monterey, never the 26.
Same shit, different decade.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was growing up as a kid in the early 70&#8242;s the 26 Valencia was the bus I took to St. Thomas More every day. Glen Park was serviced by the 26 and the 10 Monterey. As usual when the bus made the left off of Chenery onto Diamond it seemed like it was always the 10 Monterey, never the 26.<br />
Same shit, different decade.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2008/07/10/save-the-26-valencia-really/#comment-1112</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 23:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I work with people with disabilities, and if you need to go from glen park to anywhere on valencia and handicapperz can&#039;t take expensive BART and/or walk very far, the 26 is the only transportation.
of course, if we had a real subway system, all of this wouldn&#039;t matter...
save the 26!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work with people with disabilities, and if you need to go from glen park to anywhere on valencia and handicapperz can&#8217;t take expensive BART and/or walk very far, the 26 is the only transportation.<br />
of course, if we had a real subway system, all of this wouldn&#8217;t matter&#8230;<br />
save the 26!!!</p>
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		<title>By: StormWhisper</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2008/07/10/save-the-26-valencia-really/#comment-1111</link>
		<dc:creator>StormWhisper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 23:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe I&#039;m one of the few who disagree on the 26, but it saves me a lot of hassle. While the J does cover part of the same route and I could theoretically, it&#039;s a convenience bus. It stops a block from my house, and when I&#039;m carrying a large run of groceries, instead of walking up the murderous overpass over 280, I can take a much shorter route. However I&#039;m in the minority, as the main loss is a 3-4 block area that&#039;s covered only by the 26.

I&#039;ll admit, it is a largely redundant bus, though infinitely better than the 14 or the J, which the J is almost as bad as the 26. Extending the J around to State is a hideously bad idea. It&#039;s infrequent enough, and often late as it is. The J is practically the 26&#039;s twin sister in it&#039;s inability to maintain it&#039;s schedule and makes so many stops it&#039;s slower than molasses in January.

If they remove the 26, they need to compensate by making the J more frequent than it is. The J doesn&#039;t cover the exact same areas as the 26, but for the San Jose to Mission runs, for those of us who would need to get to the 14 or 49 if the 26 were removed especially since the 36 won&#039;t cover the areas south of Chenery that the 26 used to, the J needs to be made a more reliable train line.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I&#8217;m one of the few who disagree on the 26, but it saves me a lot of hassle. While the J does cover part of the same route and I could theoretically, it&#8217;s a convenience bus. It stops a block from my house, and when I&#8217;m carrying a large run of groceries, instead of walking up the murderous overpass over 280, I can take a much shorter route. However I&#8217;m in the minority, as the main loss is a 3-4 block area that&#8217;s covered only by the 26.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll admit, it is a largely redundant bus, though infinitely better than the 14 or the J, which the J is almost as bad as the 26. Extending the J around to State is a hideously bad idea. It&#8217;s infrequent enough, and often late as it is. The J is practically the 26&#8242;s twin sister in it&#8217;s inability to maintain it&#8217;s schedule and makes so many stops it&#8217;s slower than molasses in January.</p>
<p>If they remove the 26, they need to compensate by making the J more frequent than it is. The J doesn&#8217;t cover the exact same areas as the 26, but for the San Jose to Mission runs, for those of us who would need to get to the 14 or 49 if the 26 were removed especially since the 36 won&#8217;t cover the areas south of Chenery that the 26 used to, the J needs to be made a more reliable train line.</p>
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		<title>By: Whole Wheat Toast</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2008/07/10/save-the-26-valencia-really/#comment-1110</link>
		<dc:creator>Whole Wheat Toast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 05:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s because Muni did a stupid thing and reduced it to Balboa Park, that&#039;s why.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s because Muni did a stupid thing and reduced it to Balboa Park, that&#8217;s why.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken hough</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2008/07/10/save-the-26-valencia-really/#comment-1109</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken hough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 06:33:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I used to ride the 26 in &#039;75 and &#039;76 from Chenery and then from 17th and Valencia to SFSU.  It was very convenient and was almost full every trip.   For some reason, it is now fairly empty. In Sacramento, the transit district is planning to raise fares 50% and cut service by 30%, while still planning to build more tracks in 2010.  Take your cuts, save your money, and take a walk.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to ride the 26 in &#8217;75 and &#8217;76 from Chenery and then from 17th and Valencia to SFSU.  It was very convenient and was almost full every trip.   For some reason, it is now fairly empty. In Sacramento, the transit district is planning to raise fares 50% and cut service by 30%, while still planning to build more tracks in 2010.  Take your cuts, save your money, and take a walk.</p>
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		<title>By: Katie Ann</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2008/07/10/save-the-26-valencia-really/#comment-1108</link>
		<dc:creator>Katie Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 02:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[it&#039;s all about where you go. what about the subway through Chinatown? Do you know how stinky the dirty 30 is above ground, with windows open? Imagine it contained underground. shudder.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s all about where you go. what about the subway through Chinatown? Do you know how stinky the dirty 30 is above ground, with windows open? Imagine it contained underground. shudder.</p>
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		<title>By: Belgand</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2008/07/10/save-the-26-valencia-really/#comment-1107</link>
		<dc:creator>Belgand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jul 2008 17:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t live in the Mission, but I&#039;ve never really seen the point. Is there really someplace it goes that the 14 doesn&#039;t? I mean, it&#039;s a block apart! We don&#039;t need to have a separate bus line.

I&#039;m far more upset that TEP is trying to reroute the M. Instead of going to Balboa Park they want to make it stop at SF State and send the J to fill in the rest. Aside from the BART station being a natural point for the lines to end this makes going to West Portal a pain in the ass and means that going downtown now requires a much, much longer ride through the entire line of the J which, unlike the M, is almost entirely above-ground.

While the TEP has some good ideas the greater problem is that the city really, seriously, needs to be subway-oriented. Buses and streetcars just contribute to the traffic and fail to solve our problems. We&#039;re a small, but very dense city with horrible street traffic. Subways are really the only appropriate solution in that sort of scenario. Buses should be reserved for short, local trips only.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t live in the Mission, but I&#8217;ve never really seen the point. Is there really someplace it goes that the 14 doesn&#8217;t? I mean, it&#8217;s a block apart! We don&#8217;t need to have a separate bus line.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m far more upset that TEP is trying to reroute the M. Instead of going to Balboa Park they want to make it stop at SF State and send the J to fill in the rest. Aside from the BART station being a natural point for the lines to end this makes going to West Portal a pain in the ass and means that going downtown now requires a much, much longer ride through the entire line of the J which, unlike the M, is almost entirely above-ground.</p>
<p>While the TEP has some good ideas the greater problem is that the city really, seriously, needs to be subway-oriented. Buses and streetcars just contribute to the traffic and fail to solve our problems. We&#8217;re a small, but very dense city with horrible street traffic. Subways are really the only appropriate solution in that sort of scenario. Buses should be reserved for short, local trips only.</p>
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		<title>By: Comcaster</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2008/07/10/save-the-26-valencia-really/#comment-1106</link>
		<dc:creator>Comcaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I used to ride it when I live on 28th and needed to get to school (SFSU). It was the only line that got you to school if you didn&#039;t live near BART in the mission. Our morning driver (1996, 1997?) totally hated his job and you could tell. It was the worst 30 minute bus ride with hard turns on a bus with no shocks. Those were the days  LOL]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to ride it when I live on 28th and needed to get to school (SFSU). It was the only line that got you to school if you didn&#8217;t live near BART in the mission. Our morning driver (1996, 1997?) totally hated his job and you could tell. It was the worst 30 minute bus ride with hard turns on a bus with no shocks. Those were the days  LOL</p>
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