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		<title>By: zinzin</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2008/09/10/community-meeting-engagement-is-the-key/#comment-1691</link>
		<dc:creator>zinzin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 21:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ct totally agree...

that being said...Ha. I&#039;m a hipster. An aging hipster (oxymoron?).

Me &amp; all my friends qualify.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ct totally agree&#8230;</p>
<p>that being said&#8230;Ha. I&#8217;m a hipster. An aging hipster (oxymoron?).</p>
<p>Me &amp; all my friends qualify.</p>
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		<title>By: ct</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2008/09/10/community-meeting-engagement-is-the-key/#comment-1690</link>
		<dc:creator>ct</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 07:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, I hear what you&#039;re saying.  To clarify a little, I also feel like it&#039;s a waste of time to try to blame hipsters, since you&#039;ll never find anyone in the city who will cop to actually being one: there are no guilty men in Shawshank, and no hipsters in the Mission.  So blame, in this case, just results in everyone assuming it&#039;s somebody else&#039;s problem.  Better to focus on what can be done.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I hear what you&#8217;re saying.  To clarify a little, I also feel like it&#8217;s a waste of time to try to blame hipsters, since you&#8217;ll never find anyone in the city who will cop to actually being one: there are no guilty men in Shawshank, and no hipsters in the Mission.  So blame, in this case, just results in everyone assuming it&#8217;s somebody else&#8217;s problem.  Better to focus on what can be done.</p>
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		<title>By: zinzin</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2008/09/10/community-meeting-engagement-is-the-key/#comment-1689</link>
		<dc:creator>zinzin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 03:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i think those are all strong points.

for me, the only real reason to maybe bash the stereotype of a &quot;hipster&quot; more than any other - ironic plaid pants notwithstanding...and the handlebar mustaches wtf? - is the apathy issue. the whole &quot;lazy self-satisfied baby&quot; thing.

hipsters tend to have strong opinions but little follow-through.

any my fear is, via that laziness, they&#039;ll buy into the guilty liberal thing and vote for who the SFBG tells them to. or Pirate Cat Radio, for god sakes. or, even worse i guess, not vote at all.

but i agree with ct, it&#039;s the nature of the transient. some will stay, and some will achieve their generally-main-stream goals and move on up to whiteyville. most do.

anyways, please, hipsters, truly i love you. transient or not, handlebar moustache or not. i am among your numbers. you are the reason i&#039;ve lived in the hood since 1991... because with you comes good coffee and fun bars. if i harsh on you it&#039;s because there is so much potential for the &quot;hipster&quot; community to improve our hood...and so little activity or involvement.

please, if you live in the Mission in November....please, GET SMART AND VOTE!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think those are all strong points.</p>
<p>for me, the only real reason to maybe bash the stereotype of a &#8220;hipster&#8221; more than any other &#8211; ironic plaid pants notwithstanding&#8230;and the handlebar mustaches wtf? &#8211; is the apathy issue. the whole &#8220;lazy self-satisfied baby&#8221; thing.</p>
<p>hipsters tend to have strong opinions but little follow-through.</p>
<p>any my fear is, via that laziness, they&#8217;ll buy into the guilty liberal thing and vote for who the SFBG tells them to. or Pirate Cat Radio, for god sakes. or, even worse i guess, not vote at all.</p>
<p>but i agree with ct, it&#8217;s the nature of the transient. some will stay, and some will achieve their generally-main-stream goals and move on up to whiteyville. most do.</p>
<p>anyways, please, hipsters, truly i love you. transient or not, handlebar moustache or not. i am among your numbers. you are the reason i&#8217;ve lived in the hood since 1991&#8230; because with you comes good coffee and fun bars. if i harsh on you it&#8217;s because there is so much potential for the &#8220;hipster&#8221; community to improve our hood&#8230;and so little activity or involvement.</p>
<p>please, if you live in the Mission in November&#8230;.please, GET SMART AND VOTE!</p>
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		<title>By: ct</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2008/09/10/community-meeting-engagement-is-the-key/#comment-1688</link>
		<dc:creator>ct</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 00:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hipsterism is a red herring -- the problem with hipsters is not that they&#039;re hipsters, but they they are young and move around a lot.  They come to the city, stay a couple years, and go somewhere else.  In this respect they&#039;re just like most other, less hip, college graduates.

But if you consider yourself a temporary resident, you tend not to put as much effort into plugging into your neighborhood -- getting to know the neighbors, the people who run the local businesses, etc.

The last one of these flare-ups was 4 or 5 years ago, and this won&#039;t be the last either.  It trivializes the problems to say that they can all be solved by talking to your neighbors -- but talking to your neighbors does help other things, including getting the word out about problems in the community.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hipsterism is a red herring &#8212; the problem with hipsters is not that they&#8217;re hipsters, but they they are young and move around a lot.  They come to the city, stay a couple years, and go somewhere else.  In this respect they&#8217;re just like most other, less hip, college graduates.</p>
<p>But if you consider yourself a temporary resident, you tend not to put as much effort into plugging into your neighborhood &#8212; getting to know the neighbors, the people who run the local businesses, etc.</p>
<p>The last one of these flare-ups was 4 or 5 years ago, and this won&#8217;t be the last either.  It trivializes the problems to say that they can all be solved by talking to your neighbors &#8212; but talking to your neighbors does help other things, including getting the word out about problems in the community.</p>
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		<title>By: raimondo</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2008/09/10/community-meeting-engagement-is-the-key/#comment-1687</link>
		<dc:creator>raimondo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 00:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[another meeting about rampant violence that DA Harris avoided attending? guess she&#039;s not really running for mayor anymore.

and please please please stop with the &#039;white hipster gentrification&#039; party line - it&#039;s starting to sound like the mission antidisplacement coaltion nuts who shoot themselves in the foot  everytime there&#039;s a decent proposal for mixed-use low income housing in the neighborhood (remember the armory proposal?) it&#039;s so retro &quot;third world&quot; politics. the mission, BTW was an irish, Norwegian, German, and Italian  neighborhood before the Latinos moved in. So who exactly has been displaced?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>another meeting about rampant violence that DA Harris avoided attending? guess she&#8217;s not really running for mayor anymore.</p>
<p>and please please please stop with the &#8216;white hipster gentrification&#8217; party line &#8211; it&#8217;s starting to sound like the mission antidisplacement coaltion nuts who shoot themselves in the foot  everytime there&#8217;s a decent proposal for mixed-use low income housing in the neighborhood (remember the armory proposal?) it&#8217;s so retro &#8220;third world&#8221; politics. the mission, BTW was an irish, Norwegian, German, and Italian  neighborhood before the Latinos moved in. So who exactly has been displaced?</p>
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		<title>By: Allan Hough</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2008/09/10/community-meeting-engagement-is-the-key/#comment-1686</link>
		<dc:creator>Allan Hough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[liz, get out there and meet your neighbors. Being bilingual, you&#039;re in a unique position to meet a lot of people.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>liz, get out there and meet your neighbors. Being bilingual, you&#8217;re in a unique position to meet a lot of people.</p>
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		<title>By: liz</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2008/09/10/community-meeting-engagement-is-the-key/#comment-1685</link>
		<dc:creator>liz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I fall in to the category of young-white-gentrifying-person, but I would have really liked to be at the meeting. Unfortunately, I had to work until 5:30. I&#039;m not the first or last to say this, but violence isn&#039;t good for anyone in the city, no matter which demographic we fit. So without discussion of whether it&#039;s the hipsters or the undocumented or the East Bay thugs who are screwing up the neighborhood, what else can I actually do as a resident (Spanish-speaking even), to be actively involved in changing things? Suggestions would be most welcome.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fall in to the category of young-white-gentrifying-person, but I would have really liked to be at the meeting. Unfortunately, I had to work until 5:30. I&#8217;m not the first or last to say this, but violence isn&#8217;t good for anyone in the city, no matter which demographic we fit. So without discussion of whether it&#8217;s the hipsters or the undocumented or the East Bay thugs who are screwing up the neighborhood, what else can I actually do as a resident (Spanish-speaking even), to be actively involved in changing things? Suggestions would be most welcome.</p>
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		<title>By: zinzin</title>
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		<dc:creator>zinzin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[hey thanks Allan.

Tacchini from what i understand is a bit...uh...politically disadvantaged, career-wise.

also, per other posts, the SROs are a MASIVELY political issue...all tied up in the bullshit &quot;progressive&quot; machine (ie Chris Daly et al)...

so changing them will be hard.

i&#039;m not a violent guy (anymore), and i admit i have really vivid fantasies involving those SROs ans some high powered explosives.

we&#039;d empty them out first, of course.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey thanks Allan.</p>
<p>Tacchini from what i understand is a bit&#8230;uh&#8230;politically disadvantaged, career-wise.</p>
<p>also, per other posts, the SROs are a MASIVELY political issue&#8230;all tied up in the bullshit &#8220;progressive&#8221; machine (ie Chris Daly et al)&#8230;</p>
<p>so changing them will be hard.</p>
<p>i&#8217;m not a violent guy (anymore), and i admit i have really vivid fantasies involving those SROs ans some high powered explosives.</p>
<p>we&#8217;d empty them out first, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: meave</title>
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		<dc:creator>meave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 17:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m a white girl hipster, and if I weren&#039;t out of town I would&#039;ve been at this meeting with my partner. We want to settle down here long-term, we both love the neighborhood, and I resent feeling unsafe in my home.

Check out the Mission Community Council if you want to stay more informed about the neighborhood and how you can be involved in improvement &amp;c. And voting is so easy, if you&#039;re really lazy just register permanent absentee and your ballot will always come to you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a white girl hipster, and if I weren&#8217;t out of town I would&#8217;ve been at this meeting with my partner. We want to settle down here long-term, we both love the neighborhood, and I resent feeling unsafe in my home.</p>
<p>Check out the Mission Community Council if you want to stay more informed about the neighborhood and how you can be involved in improvement &amp;c. And voting is so easy, if you&#8217;re really lazy just register permanent absentee and your ballot will always come to you.</p>
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		<title>By: Allan Hough</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2008/09/10/community-meeting-engagement-is-the-key/#comment-1682</link>
		<dc:creator>Allan Hough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[zinzin, I talked to Captain Tacchini for a bit. He acknowledged that SROs are a big part of the problem on that block, but was mum about any plans to change things.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>zinzin, I talked to Captain Tacchini for a bit. He acknowledged that SROs are a big part of the problem on that block, but was mum about any plans to change things.</p>
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		<title>By: Allan Hough</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2008/09/10/community-meeting-engagement-is-the-key/#comment-1681</link>
		<dc:creator>Allan Hough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[elly and MrPoopyCaca, looks like you guys need to start reading Mission Mission more often.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>elly and MrPoopyCaca, looks like you guys need to start reading Mission Mission more often.</p>
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		<title>By: zinzin</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2008/09/10/community-meeting-engagement-is-the-key/#comment-1680</link>
		<dc:creator>zinzin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, one more point for Pissed Off...the drug trade - at least at the street level - at Mission &amp; 16th looks to me to be either folks living in the SROs of folks commuting from somewhere.

At the risk of sounding like a racist (I&#039;m not, i just walk through there every day and the shit is up in my face every day)....it&#039;s a primarily African American crowd over there, and as we all know, the hood has no significant Black community.

i have no idea if the Mission gangs are the suppliers, but the street action looks imported to me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, one more point for Pissed Off&#8230;the drug trade &#8211; at least at the street level &#8211; at Mission &amp; 16th looks to me to be either folks living in the SROs of folks commuting from somewhere.</p>
<p>At the risk of sounding like a racist (I&#8217;m not, i just walk through there every day and the shit is up in my face every day)&#8230;.it&#8217;s a primarily African American crowd over there, and as we all know, the hood has no significant Black community.</p>
<p>i have no idea if the Mission gangs are the suppliers, but the street action looks imported to me.</p>
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		<title>By: zinzin</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2008/09/10/community-meeting-engagement-is-the-key/#comment-1679</link>
		<dc:creator>zinzin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey ChrisH...when i said &quot;stole the neighborhood&quot;, i was being flip. the current cultural creative crowd (first it was punks, then artists, then hipsters, then yuppies) stole it from the Latinos, who stole it from the Italians &amp; Irish, who stole it from the landed gentry, who I guess stole it from the Native Americans.

i was (poorly) making a point that the Latino community has been in the Mission for over 50 years, and has been largely ignored by the city.

i think the killings are pretty clearly centered in that community - i feel bad for the families - and it&#039;s interesting that that&#039;s pretty much who came to the meeting: Latino activists, other PROGRESSIVES that want to help that community, etc. Pretty much no one else...not in any numbers.

anyways,  i think all these comments &amp; thoughts &amp; considerations are great. it&#039;s really a pleasure to see so much passion for our hood.

i&#039;ll say this again &amp; again: if you care about the Mission....and it sounds like you do...

GET SMART AND VOTE!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey ChrisH&#8230;when i said &#8220;stole the neighborhood&#8221;, i was being flip. the current cultural creative crowd (first it was punks, then artists, then hipsters, then yuppies) stole it from the Latinos, who stole it from the Italians &amp; Irish, who stole it from the landed gentry, who I guess stole it from the Native Americans.</p>
<p>i was (poorly) making a point that the Latino community has been in the Mission for over 50 years, and has been largely ignored by the city.</p>
<p>i think the killings are pretty clearly centered in that community &#8211; i feel bad for the families &#8211; and it&#8217;s interesting that that&#8217;s pretty much who came to the meeting: Latino activists, other PROGRESSIVES that want to help that community, etc. Pretty much no one else&#8230;not in any numbers.</p>
<p>anyways,  i think all these comments &amp; thoughts &amp; considerations are great. it&#8217;s really a pleasure to see so much passion for our hood.</p>
<p>i&#8217;ll say this again &amp; again: if you care about the Mission&#8230;.and it sounds like you do&#8230;</p>
<p>GET SMART AND VOTE!</p>
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		<title>By: MrPoopyCaca</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 16:17:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Despite being a hipster, I didn&#039;t attend because I didn&#039;t even know about the meeting and I live a half block away from the Mission rec center.  Holding meetings with little notice is an example of the lazy engagement with the community that has persisted in city government and on the police force. Had i known about the meeting and gotten off work early, i would have attended.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Despite being a hipster, I didn&#8217;t attend because I didn&#8217;t even know about the meeting and I live a half block away from the Mission rec center.  Holding meetings with little notice is an example of the lazy engagement with the community that has persisted in city government and on the police force. Had i known about the meeting and gotten off work early, i would have attended.</p>
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		<title>By: katie</title>
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		<dc:creator>katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I want to point out that Glen Park didn&#039;t meet just because of the beating and stabbing of a store owner. Glen Park, which is very small, equivalent to maybe a block or two of the Mission, has had regular targeted muggings, rapes, and burgularies. Nothing as brutal as the recent violence in the Mission of course.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to point out that Glen Park didn&#8217;t meet just because of the beating and stabbing of a store owner. Glen Park, which is very small, equivalent to maybe a block or two of the Mission, has had regular targeted muggings, rapes, and burgularies. Nothing as brutal as the recent violence in the Mission of course.</p>
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