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	<title>Comments on: Tagging the Bejesus out of the Dolores Park Bathroom Building</title>
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		<title>By: Why Isn&#8217;t There An Apple Store in the Mission? &#171; Mission Mission</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2008/11/30/tagging-the-bejesus-out-of-the-dolores-park-bathroom-building/#comment-2936</link>
		<dc:creator>Why Isn&#8217;t There An Apple Store in the Mission? &#171; Mission Mission</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Nov 2010 23:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: fatass</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2008/11/30/tagging-the-bejesus-out-of-the-dolores-park-bathroom-building/#comment-2935</link>
		<dc:creator>fatass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 20:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[yeah, people dump whack ass gross &quot;graffiti&quot; all over the place. just because this is ugly and stupid doesn&#039;t mean it is the antithesis of the &quot;white 20 something guy&quot; hipster batman. it just means that some people can&#039;t paint.
this is a prime example of why you go practice on abandoned buildings down 3rd street before you take your fucked up bubble letters to high traffic areas.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah, people dump whack ass gross &#8220;graffiti&#8221; all over the place. just because this is ugly and stupid doesn&#8217;t mean it is the antithesis of the &#8220;white 20 something guy&#8221; hipster batman. it just means that some people can&#8217;t paint.<br />
this is a prime example of why you go practice on abandoned buildings down 3rd street before you take your fucked up bubble letters to high traffic areas.</p>
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		<title>By: johnny0</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2008/11/30/tagging-the-bejesus-out-of-the-dolores-park-bathroom-building/#comment-2934</link>
		<dc:creator>johnny0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 02:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, that&#039;s gotta be it. But is it pro or anti?

Maybe they don&#039;t like Roccapolco.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, that&#8217;s gotta be it. But is it pro or anti?</p>
<p>Maybe they don&#8217;t like Roccapolco.</p>
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		<title>By: Allan Hough</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2008/11/30/tagging-the-bejesus-out-of-the-dolores-park-bathroom-building/#comment-2933</link>
		<dc:creator>Allan Hough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 22:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Silence?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Silence?</p>
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		<title>By: johnny0</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2008/11/30/tagging-the-bejesus-out-of-the-dolores-park-bathroom-building/#comment-2932</link>
		<dc:creator>johnny0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 22:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s a picture of the tagged billboard near the Kragen on Valencia I was talking about earlier in the thread.  I love the colors.

http://burritojustice.wordpress.com/2008/12/07/billboards-tags-improvement/

There&#039;s also the one on Valencia which I assume is Prop 8 commentary.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a picture of the tagged billboard near the Kragen on Valencia I was talking about earlier in the thread.  I love the colors.</p>
<p><a href="http://burritojustice.wordpress.com/2008/12/07/billboards-tags-improvement/" rel="nofollow">http://burritojustice.wordpress.com/2008/12/07/billboards-tags-improvement/</a></p>
<p>There&#8217;s also the one on Valencia which I assume is Prop 8 commentary.</p>
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		<title>By: D. Jon Moutard</title>
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		<dc:creator>D. Jon Moutard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 21:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Whatever. This junk is just plain ugly and stupid and depressing. Can we at least get anyone who is doing County time out there on a chain gang, every day of the week, painting over anything that isn&#039;t a building&#039;s regulation paint job? Or does everything have to have an artistic, multi-cultural solution?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever. This junk is just plain ugly and stupid and depressing. Can we at least get anyone who is doing County time out there on a chain gang, every day of the week, painting over anything that isn&#8217;t a building&#8217;s regulation paint job? Or does everything have to have an artistic, multi-cultural solution?</p>
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		<title>By: zinzin</title>
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		<dc:creator>zinzin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 18:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[thanks for the tips.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for the tips.</p>
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		<title>By: Greening Guerrero</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2008/11/30/tagging-the-bejesus-out-of-the-dolores-park-bathroom-building/#comment-2929</link>
		<dc:creator>Greening Guerrero</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 18:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Murals or installations on this building might need permits from Rec. &amp; Park and from the Arts Commission, since this is public (park) property. For help with funding, try the SF Community Challenge Grant Program SFCCGP dot org, and/or San Francisco Beautiful&#039;s Friedl Klussmann grants. The Friends of Dolores Park Playground are a great resource. They are well into the permit and funding process for renovating the playground.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Murals or installations on this building might need permits from Rec. &amp; Park and from the Arts Commission, since this is public (park) property. For help with funding, try the SF Community Challenge Grant Program SFCCGP dot org, and/or San Francisco Beautiful&#8217;s Friedl Klussmann grants. The Friends of Dolores Park Playground are a great resource. They are well into the permit and funding process for renovating the playground.</p>
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		<title>By: chalkman</title>
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		<dc:creator>chalkman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[other assholes tagged the hell out of the DP playground either friday or saturday night, and there seems to be an uptick of tags on 18th street as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>other assholes tagged the hell out of the DP playground either friday or saturday night, and there seems to be an uptick of tags on 18th street as well.</p>
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		<title>By: pookie!!</title>
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		<dc:creator>pookie!!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 07:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[dearest christ, please blast these pathetic nerds from the face of the earth as their writing is very crappy and also rather annoying (don&#039;t you think)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dearest christ, please blast these pathetic nerds from the face of the earth as their writing is very crappy and also rather annoying (don&#8217;t you think)</p>
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		<title>By: zinzin</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2008/11/30/tagging-the-bejesus-out-of-the-dolores-park-bathroom-building/#comment-2926</link>
		<dc:creator>zinzin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 03:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i&#039;m no expert, but i believe the style on the DPBB (johnny0 is king of acronyms) are a part of gang culture wherein individuals write their &quot;tags&quot; ie names, on &quot;turf&quot; ie claimed areas of influence.

whether these particular &quot;tags&quot; were written by actual members of such organizations, or simply copy-cats of the style, i don&#039;t know.

it&#039;s less about deep content than it is about the life, and staking a claim &amp; establishing credibility.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m no expert, but i believe the style on the DPBB (johnny0 is king of acronyms) are a part of gang culture wherein individuals write their &#8220;tags&#8221; ie names, on &#8220;turf&#8221; ie claimed areas of influence.</p>
<p>whether these particular &#8220;tags&#8221; were written by actual members of such organizations, or simply copy-cats of the style, i don&#8217;t know.</p>
<p>it&#8217;s less about deep content than it is about the life, and staking a claim &amp; establishing credibility.</p>
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		<title>By: zinzin</title>
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		<dc:creator>zinzin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 03:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[first, you could probably call Precita Eyes, who are the people behind many of the murals on buildings in the mission...they can likely give you a lot of info.

far as technicalities and bureaucracy, for private buildings there&#039;s a permit process (Building Department) and a planning process (Planning Department). it&#039;s the planning that can take a while. these are the people who decide if you can build a dormer on your house, or a second floor, or add a mote, or whatever. technically, pretty much anything one does, even build a fence or get new windows...is supposed to go through both of these processes, at least.

since a mural is just paint, a permit wouldnt be hard in theory...but it probably wont happen without planning&#039;s blessing.

idea is that folks cant just build whatever the hell they want. it has to be &quot;in line&quot; with whatever&#039;s around, not be a hazard, not be an eye sore, not obscure someone&#039;s view, etc etc etc. different hoods have different levels of scrutiny.

anything like a mural would probably trigger &quot;neighbor notification&quot;, which is where you send a letter to all the neighbors within a certain radius telling them your plan. then there&#039;s a hearing, where they can come &amp; say their piece. this is where the neighborhood associations and / or individuals can make or break a plan - sometimes for the better, certainly

for a mural, if you were to go the permit route, you&#039;d probably have to go through this whole process, so your &quot;grafitti wall&quot; would not TECHNICALLY be considered something you&#039;d need to erase, lest the city do it for you and charge you back. graffiti being, technically, illegal.

then again. probably someone would have to complain about it to get the city&#039;s attention. and THAT said, the mission has a lot of graffiti in it, so there are city employees that look for it , and they might just report you if they see it.

other hand, if your &quot;graffiti wall&quot; appeals to the political / aesthetic / humor / irony sensibilities of your neighbors AND those city employees, you could probably execute it and leave it up there without the process.

all comes down to what content &quot;counts&quot;, and to whom, and when, and how.

there&#039;s a nice little mural on a garage door on 19th across from the PG&amp;E barn. i bet they didnt get a permit. there&#039;s a big ol mural on the barn itself. i bet they did get one. i think Precita Eyes did that one.

good luck. i hope you do your wall...and that it ascribes to Allan&#039;s point of view ...;-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>first, you could probably call Precita Eyes, who are the people behind many of the murals on buildings in the mission&#8230;they can likely give you a lot of info.</p>
<p>far as technicalities and bureaucracy, for private buildings there&#8217;s a permit process (Building Department) and a planning process (Planning Department). it&#8217;s the planning that can take a while. these are the people who decide if you can build a dormer on your house, or a second floor, or add a mote, or whatever. technically, pretty much anything one does, even build a fence or get new windows&#8230;is supposed to go through both of these processes, at least.</p>
<p>since a mural is just paint, a permit wouldnt be hard in theory&#8230;but it probably wont happen without planning&#8217;s blessing.</p>
<p>idea is that folks cant just build whatever the hell they want. it has to be &#8220;in line&#8221; with whatever&#8217;s around, not be a hazard, not be an eye sore, not obscure someone&#8217;s view, etc etc etc. different hoods have different levels of scrutiny.</p>
<p>anything like a mural would probably trigger &#8220;neighbor notification&#8221;, which is where you send a letter to all the neighbors within a certain radius telling them your plan. then there&#8217;s a hearing, where they can come &amp; say their piece. this is where the neighborhood associations and / or individuals can make or break a plan &#8211; sometimes for the better, certainly</p>
<p>for a mural, if you were to go the permit route, you&#8217;d probably have to go through this whole process, so your &#8220;grafitti wall&#8221; would not TECHNICALLY be considered something you&#8217;d need to erase, lest the city do it for you and charge you back. graffiti being, technically, illegal.</p>
<p>then again. probably someone would have to complain about it to get the city&#8217;s attention. and THAT said, the mission has a lot of graffiti in it, so there are city employees that look for it , and they might just report you if they see it.</p>
<p>other hand, if your &#8220;graffiti wall&#8221; appeals to the political / aesthetic / humor / irony sensibilities of your neighbors AND those city employees, you could probably execute it and leave it up there without the process.</p>
<p>all comes down to what content &#8220;counts&#8221;, and to whom, and when, and how.</p>
<p>there&#8217;s a nice little mural on a garage door on 19th across from the PG&amp;E barn. i bet they didnt get a permit. there&#8217;s a big ol mural on the barn itself. i bet they did get one. i think Precita Eyes did that one.</p>
<p>good luck. i hope you do your wall&#8230;and that it ascribes to Allan&#8217;s point of view &#8230;;-)</p>
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		<title>By: johnny0</title>
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		<dc:creator>johnny0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 02:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You just need to add a big &quot;SUCKS&quot; beneath crappy tags like in that Rudy Guiliani SNL skit.  (God *knows* enough people have stencils here in the Mission...)

Regardless of your background, you can at least do a) clever or b) well-executed, not some sloppy shit like the DPBB above...

There&#039;s a tag on the empty billboard above the Kragen on Valencia near Cesar Chavez that is just stunning.  I&#039;ll take a picture tomorrow if it&#039;s still there - the colors are just phenomenal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You just need to add a big &#8220;SUCKS&#8221; beneath crappy tags like in that Rudy Guiliani SNL skit.  (God *knows* enough people have stencils here in the Mission&#8230;)</p>
<p>Regardless of your background, you can at least do a) clever or b) well-executed, not some sloppy shit like the DPBB above&#8230;</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a tag on the empty billboard above the Kragen on Valencia near Cesar Chavez that is just stunning.  I&#8217;ll take a picture tomorrow if it&#8217;s still there &#8211; the colors are just phenomenal.</p>
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		<title>By: moon unit</title>
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		<dc:creator>moon unit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 01:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So what&#039;s the process like for private buildings? If I&#039;m a property owner I have to paint over tags, but would it be possible to have a graffiti wall on one&#039;s building?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So what&#8217;s the process like for private buildings? If I&#8217;m a property owner I have to paint over tags, but would it be possible to have a graffiti wall on one&#8217;s building?</p>
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		<title>By: Allan Hough</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2008/11/30/tagging-the-bejesus-out-of-the-dolores-park-bathroom-building/#comment-2922</link>
		<dc:creator>Allan Hough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 23:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All sounds good. Do keep us posted.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All sounds good. Do keep us posted.</p>
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