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		<title>By: zinzin</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2008/12/08/interesting-morning-for-law-enforcement/#comment-2993</link>
		<dc:creator>zinzin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 19:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[there&#039;s an uptick of all sorts of bums in the Mission. anglo, african american, female, specifically heroin addicted, shopping cart pushing, older, younger....

the demographic has changed quite a lot in the past 12 - 18 months. the population of folks living (not hanging out...LIVING) in Dolores Park has gone up quite a bit too.

the reason is that civic center and soma have well organized, well connected merchant associations &amp; tourist dollar associations that pressure city govt and cops to push the bums out.

the mission on the other hand has over 50 &quot;service&quot; organizations many of whom are poverty pimps with their livelihood built on the backs of the marginalized folks they&#039;re supposed to be &quot;servicing&quot;....along with a youthful, transient population that thinks &quot;progressive&quot; politics are cool and so is a &quot;gritty&quot; hood that they&#039;ll leave for the burbs when they hit 30 anyways.... and a huge recent immigrant population that&#039;s too scared or uneducated to complain about anything.

(this has nothing to do with the current lack of services, future budget cuts that will make them even more scarce, the need for these services to be mandatory for individuals endangering the community or themselves, the lack of any sort of balance between the &quot;rights&quot; of bums and the &quot;rights&quot; of other people in neighborhoods where they are, the difference between a crazy bum and a family or individual in fiscal distress, etc).


so, long story short, all the bums in the city are pushed into the mission, because apparently we LIKE bums. they&#039;re more aggro because they&#039;re more chronic types which have not lived here before in any great numbers...but do now.

ugh. i could go on all fucking day.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there&#8217;s an uptick of all sorts of bums in the Mission. anglo, african american, female, specifically heroin addicted, shopping cart pushing, older, younger&#8230;.</p>
<p>the demographic has changed quite a lot in the past 12 &#8211; 18 months. the population of folks living (not hanging out&#8230;LIVING) in Dolores Park has gone up quite a bit too.</p>
<p>the reason is that civic center and soma have well organized, well connected merchant associations &amp; tourist dollar associations that pressure city govt and cops to push the bums out.</p>
<p>the mission on the other hand has over 50 &#8220;service&#8221; organizations many of whom are poverty pimps with their livelihood built on the backs of the marginalized folks they&#8217;re supposed to be &#8220;servicing&#8221;&#8230;.along with a youthful, transient population that thinks &#8220;progressive&#8221; politics are cool and so is a &#8220;gritty&#8221; hood that they&#8217;ll leave for the burbs when they hit 30 anyways&#8230;. and a huge recent immigrant population that&#8217;s too scared or uneducated to complain about anything.</p>
<p>(this has nothing to do with the current lack of services, future budget cuts that will make them even more scarce, the need for these services to be mandatory for individuals endangering the community or themselves, the lack of any sort of balance between the &#8220;rights&#8221; of bums and the &#8220;rights&#8221; of other people in neighborhoods where they are, the difference between a crazy bum and a family or individual in fiscal distress, etc).</p>
<p>so, long story short, all the bums in the city are pushed into the mission, because apparently we LIKE bums. they&#8217;re more aggro because they&#8217;re more chronic types which have not lived here before in any great numbers&#8230;but do now.</p>
<p>ugh. i could go on all fucking day.</p>
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		<title>By: Neo Displacer</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2008/12/08/interesting-morning-for-law-enforcement/#comment-2992</link>
		<dc:creator>Neo Displacer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 02:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve seen an up tick of anglo bums in the mission. Aggressive too. Is this our depression future? Will it get ugly? Will it be the barely-hanging-on versus the lost-their-grip?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen an up tick of anglo bums in the mission. Aggressive too. Is this our depression future? Will it get ugly? Will it be the barely-hanging-on versus the lost-their-grip?</p>
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		<title>By: zinzin</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2008/12/08/interesting-morning-for-law-enforcement/#comment-2991</link>
		<dc:creator>zinzin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ya know i never thought about that. some mornings (like yesterday at 6am, there was one) i figure it&#039;s a traffic report thing...looking at the 101 / 280 / 380 mess

but this particular morning there were a lot of them. i will try to call. be interesting to see what they say, if anything...

here&#039;s a new one just happened with calling:

i call the non emergency dispatch to get cops to roll up and move bums camping on my block. i used to just go over &amp; ask nicely (or at times not so nicely), but quickly realized i could be endangering myself (one guy showed me his knife). i&#039;m a dad, so that matters....

so anyways...i called the other night and the dispatch asks &quot;are they blocking pedestrian traffic?&quot; they never asked me that before.

this was a tactic used by many cities to enable cops to move bums: making the blocking of ped traffic technically illegal.

i dont know if the rules have changed, or if this is a rule in SF, but it was interesting. i didnt have time to query....will do so next time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ya know i never thought about that. some mornings (like yesterday at 6am, there was one) i figure it&#8217;s a traffic report thing&#8230;looking at the 101 / 280 / 380 mess</p>
<p>but this particular morning there were a lot of them. i will try to call. be interesting to see what they say, if anything&#8230;</p>
<p>here&#8217;s a new one just happened with calling:</p>
<p>i call the non emergency dispatch to get cops to roll up and move bums camping on my block. i used to just go over &amp; ask nicely (or at times not so nicely), but quickly realized i could be endangering myself (one guy showed me his knife). i&#8217;m a dad, so that matters&#8230;.</p>
<p>so anyways&#8230;i called the other night and the dispatch asks &#8220;are they blocking pedestrian traffic?&#8221; they never asked me that before.</p>
<p>this was a tactic used by many cities to enable cops to move bums: making the blocking of ped traffic technically illegal.</p>
<p>i dont know if the rules have changed, or if this is a rule in SF, but it was interesting. i didnt have time to query&#8230;.will do so next time.</p>
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		<title>By: Janet C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janet C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:19:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Zinzin, did you call the Mission Police Station to ask about the copters?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zinzin, did you call the Mission Police Station to ask about the copters?</p>
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		<title>By: SimonSaysSoListen</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2008/12/08/interesting-morning-for-law-enforcement/#comment-2989</link>
		<dc:creator>SimonSaysSoListen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 23:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[fuck the bums, get em outta here... at least the day laborers (a close 2nd to bums) actually look for work. they need to go too though...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fuck the bums, get em outta here&#8230; at least the day laborers (a close 2nd to bums) actually look for work. they need to go too though&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: zinzin</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2008/12/08/interesting-morning-for-law-enforcement/#comment-2988</link>
		<dc:creator>zinzin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 07:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[yeah i guess the folks patrolling Pt Reyes are feds. different budget, different bosses, and different mindset...not to be fucked with.

also, living in your van in the park isnt the same as &quot;enjoying the public space&quot;. i mean, i feel for the guy if he&#039;s off his rocker, living in a van &amp; all...but shacking up near a national park visitor center just aint gonna fly. and if you are going to try to live in a national park, you&#039;d probably want to ingratiate yourself with the feds...and make yourself scarce for the most part. you living there out in the picnic area = them not doing their jobs.

similar deal in the hood, my view. LOTS of homeless folks working to be respectful of others and keeping a general lid on things. others, well, not so much. sometimes it&#039;s affliction or addiction...sometimes i guess folks just tire of being beat down...and some are just fucking assholes...just like everywhere else.

far as the smackdown this guy got....could be they asked the guy to not live there before, and he kept coming back. could be the guy was confrontational with them first. could be they were fascist assholes. hard to say.

mess with the bull, though...you get the horns. most part...it&#039;s a good thing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah i guess the folks patrolling Pt Reyes are feds. different budget, different bosses, and different mindset&#8230;not to be fucked with.</p>
<p>also, living in your van in the park isnt the same as &#8220;enjoying the public space&#8221;. i mean, i feel for the guy if he&#8217;s off his rocker, living in a van &amp; all&#8230;but shacking up near a national park visitor center just aint gonna fly. and if you are going to try to live in a national park, you&#8217;d probably want to ingratiate yourself with the feds&#8230;and make yourself scarce for the most part. you living there out in the picnic area = them not doing their jobs.</p>
<p>similar deal in the hood, my view. LOTS of homeless folks working to be respectful of others and keeping a general lid on things. others, well, not so much. sometimes it&#8217;s affliction or addiction&#8230;sometimes i guess folks just tire of being beat down&#8230;and some are just fucking assholes&#8230;just like everywhere else.</p>
<p>far as the smackdown this guy got&#8230;.could be they asked the guy to not live there before, and he kept coming back. could be the guy was confrontational with them first. could be they were fascist assholes. hard to say.</p>
<p>mess with the bull, though&#8230;you get the horns. most part&#8230;it&#8217;s a good thing.</p>
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		<title>By: KC</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2008/12/08/interesting-morning-for-law-enforcement/#comment-2987</link>
		<dc:creator>KC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 06:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Randomly, yesterday I&#039;m at the Pt Reyes Visitor Center, having a quick picnic lunch (cold, grey, hurried...) on the way to hang with the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flickr.com/photos/bernalkc/sets/72157610824023787/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;tule elk&lt;/a&gt;.  There, bumbling between the table next to us and his disheveled van/home, is a clearly wigged out guy talking to himself.  Ranting to no one in particular.  Being from the city I think nothing about it.  Harmless loon.  Safe to ignore.

Suddenly I hear shouting and look up to see multiple park ranger SUVs and a group of rangers confronting the loon.  They are up in his face.  On guy in particular getting totally confrontational.  It almost immediately escalated to the loon getting cuffed and laid out on the pavement.  Exactly the kind of over reaction zinzin would expect of Guiliani thugs.  I&#039;ve heard the feds (and GGNRA rangers) are real hard asses.  Maybe its there way of telling the homeless to get back to Golden Gate park...

Predictably, the loon doesn&#039;t handle it well.  Getting louder and more profane, telling the lawmen to f--- themselves.  I bet the poor guy spent the night locked up.  Then again, maybe he was angling for that?  Its getting cold and jail has some advantages...  But does he loose his van?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randomly, yesterday I&#8217;m at the Pt Reyes Visitor Center, having a quick picnic lunch (cold, grey, hurried&#8230;) on the way to hang with the <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/bernalkc/sets/72157610824023787/" rel="nofollow">tule elk</a>.  There, bumbling between the table next to us and his disheveled van/home, is a clearly wigged out guy talking to himself.  Ranting to no one in particular.  Being from the city I think nothing about it.  Harmless loon.  Safe to ignore.</p>
<p>Suddenly I hear shouting and look up to see multiple park ranger SUVs and a group of rangers confronting the loon.  They are up in his face.  On guy in particular getting totally confrontational.  It almost immediately escalated to the loon getting cuffed and laid out on the pavement.  Exactly the kind of over reaction zinzin would expect of Guiliani thugs.  I&#8217;ve heard the feds (and GGNRA rangers) are real hard asses.  Maybe its there way of telling the homeless to get back to Golden Gate park&#8230;</p>
<p>Predictably, the loon doesn&#8217;t handle it well.  Getting louder and more profane, telling the lawmen to f&#8212; themselves.  I bet the poor guy spent the night locked up.  Then again, maybe he was angling for that?  Its getting cold and jail has some advantages&#8230;  But does he loose his van?</p>
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		<title>By: zinzin</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2008/12/08/interesting-morning-for-law-enforcement/#comment-2986</link>
		<dc:creator>zinzin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 00:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[oh, and wtf with the copters? anyone know?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh, and wtf with the copters? anyone know?</p>
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		<title>By: zinzin</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2008/12/08/interesting-morning-for-law-enforcement/#comment-2985</link>
		<dc:creator>zinzin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 00:42:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[THANKS FOR THE POST ALLAN.

while the people of SF may have their heart in the right place.... i am not so sure about the advocates. again &amp; again i feel like the ecosystem of these groups is flawed...that they are more an industry than an advocacy...and that their economy is built on the backs of the people they&#039;re supposed to help.

it reminds me of a the bakery co-op i go to in the sunset. the product is good - when you can get it - but it&#039;s the PROCESS that&#039;s most important to the people that work there. whether or not you get to buy your baked goods is totally secondary to them.

so while i think that most advocates WANT to help people, i think they&#039;re blinded by the process and their own interests.

my other thought is around civil rights. many would say that forcing the psychotic gentleman i saw this AM into some sort of treatment would be an attack on his civil rights. Or the woman passed out in the playground with a needle in her arm. Or the naked guy on South Van Ness from over the weekend. (These are the people in my neighborhood, in my neighborhood....)

is that really true? is it their &quot;right&quot; to live in such a degraded state? i mean...do they really WANT to? outside my yuppie, nimby i-just-dont-want-to-look-at-it-every-fucking-day vitriol....really, is it their RIGHT to refuse treatment?

i dont think so.

that being said, there ARE no treatments into which we can force them...so the issue is moot...unless they&#039;re hanging around where tourist dollars might be spent...and then, at the very least, we can force them into the Mission.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THANKS FOR THE POST ALLAN.</p>
<p>while the people of SF may have their heart in the right place&#8230;. i am not so sure about the advocates. again &amp; again i feel like the ecosystem of these groups is flawed&#8230;that they are more an industry than an advocacy&#8230;and that their economy is built on the backs of the people they&#8217;re supposed to help.</p>
<p>it reminds me of a the bakery co-op i go to in the sunset. the product is good &#8211; when you can get it &#8211; but it&#8217;s the PROCESS that&#8217;s most important to the people that work there. whether or not you get to buy your baked goods is totally secondary to them.</p>
<p>so while i think that most advocates WANT to help people, i think they&#8217;re blinded by the process and their own interests.</p>
<p>my other thought is around civil rights. many would say that forcing the psychotic gentleman i saw this AM into some sort of treatment would be an attack on his civil rights. Or the woman passed out in the playground with a needle in her arm. Or the naked guy on South Van Ness from over the weekend. (These are the people in my neighborhood, in my neighborhood&#8230;.)</p>
<p>is that really true? is it their &#8220;right&#8221; to live in such a degraded state? i mean&#8230;do they really WANT to? outside my yuppie, nimby i-just-dont-want-to-look-at-it-every-fucking-day vitriol&#8230;.really, is it their RIGHT to refuse treatment?</p>
<p>i dont think so.</p>
<p>that being said, there ARE no treatments into which we can force them&#8230;so the issue is moot&#8230;unless they&#8217;re hanging around where tourist dollars might be spent&#8230;and then, at the very least, we can force them into the Mission.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Spectre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Spectre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 00:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[zinzin nails the issue in his observation.  San Francisco&#039;s heart is completely in the right place with respect to its homelessness problem.  Quite unlike other places in the world and indeed the United States, the recognition that poverty is not a lifestyle choice and decisions made in that state of despair often aren&#039;t entirely the work of those deciding.

Where San Francisco fails in helping her homeless is in execution.  Mental health services in this town *suck*.  It&#039;s not that SF doesn&#039;t want to help these people; it&#039;s that SF is really bad at it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>zinzin nails the issue in his observation.  San Francisco&#8217;s heart is completely in the right place with respect to its homelessness problem.  Quite unlike other places in the world and indeed the United States, the recognition that poverty is not a lifestyle choice and decisions made in that state of despair often aren&#8217;t entirely the work of those deciding.</p>
<p>Where San Francisco fails in helping her homeless is in execution.  Mental health services in this town *suck*.  It&#8217;s not that SF doesn&#8217;t want to help these people; it&#8217;s that SF is really bad at it.</p>
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