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		<title>By: nickh</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2008/12/19/non-profit-center-to-replace-furniture-center/#comment-3081</link>
		<dc:creator>nickh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 01:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We have met with the Shotwell Neighbors before, they seemed very reasonable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have met with the Shotwell Neighbors before, they seemed very reasonable.</p>
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		<title>By: zinzin</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2008/12/19/non-profit-center-to-replace-furniture-center/#comment-3080</link>
		<dc:creator>zinzin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 02:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[that is an awesome list. thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that is an awesome list. thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: WantRealEconomicDevelopment</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2008/12/19/non-profit-center-to-replace-furniture-center/#comment-3079</link>
		<dc:creator>WantRealEconomicDevelopment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 01:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are a few established groups you might reach out to: Lower 24th Street Merchants and Residents Association, South Mission Neighborhood Coalition (SMNC), Northeast Mission Residents Association (NEMRA), San Jose/Guerrero Coalition to Save Our Streets, Rolph Park Neighborhood Association, Shotwell Neighbors, Fix 26, CC Puede, Southwest Mission Neighborhood Association (SWMNA), South of Cesar Chavez Neighborhood Association (SoCeCha), Treat Street Neighbors, Mission Merchants Association, Friends of Franklin Square Park, JuriCommoners, Friends of Dolores Park Playground, Liberty Hill Neighborhood Association. Captain Tacchini of Mission Station, the Mayor&#039;s Office of Economic and Workforce Development or the Small Business Assistance Center might be able to put you in touch with these groups if google doesn&#039;t work.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a few established groups you might reach out to: Lower 24th Street Merchants and Residents Association, South Mission Neighborhood Coalition (SMNC), Northeast Mission Residents Association (NEMRA), San Jose/Guerrero Coalition to Save Our Streets, Rolph Park Neighborhood Association, Shotwell Neighbors, Fix 26, CC Puede, Southwest Mission Neighborhood Association (SWMNA), South of Cesar Chavez Neighborhood Association (SoCeCha), Treat Street Neighbors, Mission Merchants Association, Friends of Franklin Square Park, JuriCommoners, Friends of Dolores Park Playground, Liberty Hill Neighborhood Association. Captain Tacchini of Mission Station, the Mayor&#8217;s Office of Economic and Workforce Development or the Small Business Assistance Center might be able to put you in touch with these groups if google doesn&#8217;t work.</p>
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		<title>By: Allan Hough</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allan Hough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 22:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ll post it for sure.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll post it for sure.</p>
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		<title>By: zinzin</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2008/12/19/non-profit-center-to-replace-furniture-center/#comment-3077</link>
		<dc:creator>zinzin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 22:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[THANKS for the info.

yah. i gotta work too. i hear ya.

 i&#039;m going to do something about this though. i think it&#039;s too big an opportunity to pass up. plus, i love meeting my neighbors. and i&#039;d love to meet my fellow MMCs.

i&#039;ve threatened to offer up a little organization before. i&#039;ll do it before early Feb. gotta find a spot to invite everyone to. i feel it may be more peeps than my living room can hold.

if i need to start an organization, that&#039;s cool with me. if i can piggyback onto someone else&#039;s, that&#039;s cool too. or a merge. or whatever.

will ask Allan to post the invite when the time is right.

thanks for the encouragement. think of the possibilities....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THANKS for the info.</p>
<p>yah. i gotta work too. i hear ya.</p>
<p> i&#8217;m going to do something about this though. i think it&#8217;s too big an opportunity to pass up. plus, i love meeting my neighbors. and i&#8217;d love to meet my fellow MMCs.</p>
<p>i&#8217;ve threatened to offer up a little organization before. i&#8217;ll do it before early Feb. gotta find a spot to invite everyone to. i feel it may be more peeps than my living room can hold.</p>
<p>if i need to start an organization, that&#8217;s cool with me. if i can piggyback onto someone else&#8217;s, that&#8217;s cool too. or a merge. or whatever.</p>
<p>will ask Allan to post the invite when the time is right.</p>
<p>thanks for the encouragement. think of the possibilities&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: nickh</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2008/12/19/non-profit-center-to-replace-furniture-center/#comment-3076</link>
		<dc:creator>nickh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 19:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Zinzin,

We have had the opportunity to interact with our city govenment twice, the first time was to get permit parking for 19th and 20th st from S. VanNess - Mission converted from meter to permit parking. We tried canvasing to get signatures, but people didn&#039;t want to sign, and it was difficult to get any traction. Then, after the shootings in front of Cha Cha Cha, we talked to our neighbors, and formed an informal neighborhood watch group. Representing that group it was a world of difference. All of a sudden, via Tom Ammiano&#039;s office who reached out to us, we were able to meet with the Mission Police station captain, meet the different officers working in the mission, and find out what the heck was going on with all of the violence.

What it came down to in Supervisor Ammiano&#039;s case is that he responds to organized groups. If you are an individual they don&#039;t care all that much because there are other larger groups pressuring them. What the prior comment says is completely the case, because MAC, MEDA, Tenants Union, can send people to meetings, and represent themselves as a group they can get traction to skew the political process to favor themselves.
I am all for a gym and some sensible and rationa plans for the mission, I gotta work, but would be happy to be part of a group that could meet 7:30 - 8:00ish, and the weekends.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zinzin,</p>
<p>We have had the opportunity to interact with our city govenment twice, the first time was to get permit parking for 19th and 20th st from S. VanNess &#8211; Mission converted from meter to permit parking. We tried canvasing to get signatures, but people didn&#8217;t want to sign, and it was difficult to get any traction. Then, after the shootings in front of Cha Cha Cha, we talked to our neighbors, and formed an informal neighborhood watch group. Representing that group it was a world of difference. All of a sudden, via Tom Ammiano&#8217;s office who reached out to us, we were able to meet with the Mission Police station captain, meet the different officers working in the mission, and find out what the heck was going on with all of the violence.</p>
<p>What it came down to in Supervisor Ammiano&#8217;s case is that he responds to organized groups. If you are an individual they don&#8217;t care all that much because there are other larger groups pressuring them. What the prior comment says is completely the case, because MAC, MEDA, Tenants Union, can send people to meetings, and represent themselves as a group they can get traction to skew the political process to favor themselves.<br />
I am all for a gym and some sensible and rationa plans for the mission, I gotta work, but would be happy to be part of a group that could meet 7:30 &#8211; 8:00ish, and the weekends.</p>
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		<title>By: SimonSays</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2008/12/19/non-profit-center-to-replace-furniture-center/#comment-3075</link>
		<dc:creator>SimonSays</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 13:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow! This is some very interesting info. I&#039;ve always had a feeling the &quot;real&quot; Mission residents weren&#039;t the ones we&#039;re portrayed as. Go ZINZIN!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! This is some very interesting info. I&#8217;ve always had a feeling the &#8220;real&#8221; Mission residents weren&#8217;t the ones we&#8217;re portrayed as. Go ZINZIN!</p>
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		<title>By: johnny0</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2008/12/19/non-profit-center-to-replace-furniture-center/#comment-3074</link>
		<dc:creator>johnny0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 09:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hell hath no fury like the MMC (Mission Mission Commentistas) scorned.  I&#039;m in.

zinzin, this will be good experience for your run for D9 sup in 2012.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hell hath no fury like the MMC (Mission Mission Commentistas) scorned.  I&#8217;m in.</p>
<p>zinzin, this will be good experience for your run for D9 sup in 2012.</p>
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		<title>By: zinzin</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2008/12/19/non-profit-center-to-replace-furniture-center/#comment-3073</link>
		<dc:creator>zinzin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 04:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[seems to me everyone&#039;s saying the same thing.

so...

what to do? while i think MEDA &amp; MAC have a big headstart...i also think some like minded individuals could find a way... to make some headway.

to date - with specific exceptions as cited by WRED re: 3400 Chavez - it&#039;s pretty much grassroots &quot;activists&quot; vs. money-focused developers. the downtrodden vs. the trodders.

seriously, MEDA has 20 people working there. MAC i think is bigger, but even so. there&#039;s A LOT of people in the mission who i think would be interested in fostering some responsible, non-imperialistic, good-for-the-hood, lets-get-rid-of -the-blight-and-use-some unused-real-estate type development.

i can&#039;t believe that with a little organization, this type of thing couldn&#039;t happen.

anyone with me?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>seems to me everyone&#8217;s saying the same thing.</p>
<p>so&#8230;</p>
<p>what to do? while i think MEDA &amp; MAC have a big headstart&#8230;i also think some like minded individuals could find a way&#8230; to make some headway.</p>
<p>to date &#8211; with specific exceptions as cited by WRED re: 3400 Chavez &#8211; it&#8217;s pretty much grassroots &#8220;activists&#8221; vs. money-focused developers. the downtrodden vs. the trodders.</p>
<p>seriously, MEDA has 20 people working there. MAC i think is bigger, but even so. there&#8217;s A LOT of people in the mission who i think would be interested in fostering some responsible, non-imperialistic, good-for-the-hood, lets-get-rid-of -the-blight-and-use-some unused-real-estate type development.</p>
<p>i can&#8217;t believe that with a little organization, this type of thing couldn&#8217;t happen.</p>
<p>anyone with me?</p>
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		<title>By: SFDoggy</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2008/12/19/non-profit-center-to-replace-furniture-center/#comment-3072</link>
		<dc:creator>SFDoggy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 03:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@WRD:  I definitely agree that the timing of these hearings can have a big impact;  few people with jobs (whether they be minimum wage jobs or $100K/year) want to take an afternoon off to wait for hours to be able to say a few words to the the BOS.  E-mail campaigns, letters to the editros etc. are probably the best way of exerting influence.

As ZinZin says,  providing social services etc. for the less well off is great and I fully support it.  But trying to prevent any change in the Mission is unfair to the rest of the residents and, ultimately, just limits opportunities for those who need them most.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@WRD:  I definitely agree that the timing of these hearings can have a big impact;  few people with jobs (whether they be minimum wage jobs or $100K/year) want to take an afternoon off to wait for hours to be able to say a few words to the the BOS.  E-mail campaigns, letters to the editros etc. are probably the best way of exerting influence.</p>
<p>As ZinZin says,  providing social services etc. for the less well off is great and I fully support it.  But trying to prevent any change in the Mission is unfair to the rest of the residents and, ultimately, just limits opportunities for those who need them most.</p>
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		<title>By: zinzin</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2008/12/19/non-profit-center-to-replace-furniture-center/#comment-3071</link>
		<dc:creator>zinzin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 16:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[great info. why don&#039;t petitions mean anything? too easy to get? what about an email campaign? or a website where people can comment?

what&#039;s a strategy for overcoming the fact that everyone who would come out IN FAVOR of this stuff is at work when the meetings  hearings happen??

there&#039;s got to be a way, no? what did those folks that fought for 3400 do? take time off?

sorry for all the questions.

as SFdoggy says, and as i&#039;ve written 1000000 times ad nauseum on here, there&#039;s a lot of people in the hood that are simply not represented or given a voice in local politics because they&#039;re not clearly on a particular list of underserved groups upon which a cottage NGO industry is built (homeless, latino, low income, etc).

i&#039;m NOT saying those folks dont deserve a voice...they do. and they deserve services and assistance and all that to boot. i am in favor.

but so does everyone else deserve a voice. fact is, the hood is changing, and has changed...and it makes militant activist groups like MAC (and MEDA based on what i learned here) seem arcane and out of touch. grasping at straws, even.

and damn if i dont think a 20000 sft gym on mission would be super cool, and well received by the whole hood, at a human, non political level. if for no other reason that it turns a blight into a business.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great info. why don&#8217;t petitions mean anything? too easy to get? what about an email campaign? or a website where people can comment?</p>
<p>what&#8217;s a strategy for overcoming the fact that everyone who would come out IN FAVOR of this stuff is at work when the meetings  hearings happen??</p>
<p>there&#8217;s got to be a way, no? what did those folks that fought for 3400 do? take time off?</p>
<p>sorry for all the questions.</p>
<p>as SFdoggy says, and as i&#8217;ve written 1000000 times ad nauseum on here, there&#8217;s a lot of people in the hood that are simply not represented or given a voice in local politics because they&#8217;re not clearly on a particular list of underserved groups upon which a cottage NGO industry is built (homeless, latino, low income, etc).</p>
<p>i&#8217;m NOT saying those folks dont deserve a voice&#8230;they do. and they deserve services and assistance and all that to boot. i am in favor.</p>
<p>but so does everyone else deserve a voice. fact is, the hood is changing, and has changed&#8230;and it makes militant activist groups like MAC (and MEDA based on what i learned here) seem arcane and out of touch. grasping at straws, even.</p>
<p>and damn if i dont think a 20000 sft gym on mission would be super cool, and well received by the whole hood, at a human, non political level. if for no other reason that it turns a blight into a business.</p>
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		<title>By: WantRealEconomicDevelopment</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2008/12/19/non-profit-center-to-replace-furniture-center/#comment-3070</link>
		<dc:creator>WantRealEconomicDevelopment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 05:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, in the case of 3400 Cesar Chavez, the &quot;1,500 people&quot; (and their kids) from the Mission who live near the building prevailed to make sure that 60 entry-level homeownership units (minus 9 moderate-income units) were permitted - it&#039;s being built now. MEDA sent its community organizers around to local businesses to say that the 24-hour Walgreen&#039;s proposed as one of the commercial tenants for that building would threaten local businesses by selling beer and wine for less (Walgreen&#039;s doesn&#039;t sell beer or wine), forcing up adjacent commercial rents, and so on. But it&#039;s difficult to organize such a public outcry, as most &quot;public hearings&quot; are during working hours when the average resident, and their families, are at work and/or school. MEDA/MAC/PODER/BHNC can tilt the existing processes in their favor by having plentiful staff who can attend hearings by getting paid to. Ironically, these non-profiteers receive the bulk of their funding from the City! Petitions don&#039;t mean anything; it&#039;s bodies at hearings, personal e-mails to Supervisors and Planning Commissioners, individual letters. MEDA is a core organizational member of MAC - see: http://mac-sf.org/index.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, in the case of 3400 Cesar Chavez, the &#8220;1,500 people&#8221; (and their kids) from the Mission who live near the building prevailed to make sure that 60 entry-level homeownership units (minus 9 moderate-income units) were permitted &#8211; it&#8217;s being built now. MEDA sent its community organizers around to local businesses to say that the 24-hour Walgreen&#8217;s proposed as one of the commercial tenants for that building would threaten local businesses by selling beer and wine for less (Walgreen&#8217;s doesn&#8217;t sell beer or wine), forcing up adjacent commercial rents, and so on. But it&#8217;s difficult to organize such a public outcry, as most &#8220;public hearings&#8221; are during working hours when the average resident, and their families, are at work and/or school. MEDA/MAC/PODER/BHNC can tilt the existing processes in their favor by having plentiful staff who can attend hearings by getting paid to. Ironically, these non-profiteers receive the bulk of their funding from the City! Petitions don&#8217;t mean anything; it&#8217;s bodies at hearings, personal e-mails to Supervisors and Planning Commissioners, individual letters. MEDA is a core organizational member of MAC &#8211; see: <a href="http://mac-sf.org/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://mac-sf.org/index.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: zinzin</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2008/12/19/non-profit-center-to-replace-furniture-center/#comment-3069</link>
		<dc:creator>zinzin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 23:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[so my understanding is that these groups make a lot of headway by bombing the supe office &amp; the BoS meting with crowds of &quot;activists&quot;. it&#039;s the reason, for example, that we can&#039;t get more street cleaning. every time they try to bump the # of days, there&#039;s a horde of folks storming ammiano&#039;s office (now campos&#039; i guess) saying how horrible it would be that they need to move their cars one more day of the week, what a hardship on working people.

garbage &amp; used condoms in the street, apparently, that&#039;s cool.

how they rally 50 people in the middle of the day is beyond me, but there you go.

or, let&#039;s say we were talking about the gym going into the old abandoned theater. and they had their usual 50 screaming zealots at the hearing at 11am or 2pm or whenever it is.

what if someone else, and i&#039;m not naming names, came in with a petition signed by 1500 people who were in favor of the development. people from the neighborhood. people from across the socio-demographic array.

would one trump the other? which would trump?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so my understanding is that these groups make a lot of headway by bombing the supe office &amp; the BoS meting with crowds of &#8220;activists&#8221;. it&#8217;s the reason, for example, that we can&#8217;t get more street cleaning. every time they try to bump the # of days, there&#8217;s a horde of folks storming ammiano&#8217;s office (now campos&#8217; i guess) saying how horrible it would be that they need to move their cars one more day of the week, what a hardship on working people.</p>
<p>garbage &amp; used condoms in the street, apparently, that&#8217;s cool.</p>
<p>how they rally 50 people in the middle of the day is beyond me, but there you go.</p>
<p>or, let&#8217;s say we were talking about the gym going into the old abandoned theater. and they had their usual 50 screaming zealots at the hearing at 11am or 2pm or whenever it is.</p>
<p>what if someone else, and i&#8217;m not naming names, came in with a petition signed by 1500 people who were in favor of the development. people from the neighborhood. people from across the socio-demographic array.</p>
<p>would one trump the other? which would trump?</p>
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		<title>By: SFDoggy</title>
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		<dc:creator>SFDoggy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 22:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was wondering who was behind the &quot;no formula retail in the Mission&quot; ban, because it clearly was not any residents of the Mission.  Anybody who looks at Mission or Valencia St. would realize that there is lots of underutilized retail space there and very little &quot;formula&quot; retail.    In any case, it has always seemed to me that if the residents don&#039;t like formula retail, they won&#039;t shop there and it will fail.  But if a formula retail flourishes it must be because the residents actually like shopping there -- so why do MEDA, MAC and Ammiano claim to be representing the neighborhood when they try to ban it?
(on a side note, it would be nice to have a decent gym in the area so I wouldn&#039;t have to drive across town to one).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was wondering who was behind the &#8220;no formula retail in the Mission&#8221; ban, because it clearly was not any residents of the Mission.  Anybody who looks at Mission or Valencia St. would realize that there is lots of underutilized retail space there and very little &#8220;formula&#8221; retail.    In any case, it has always seemed to me that if the residents don&#8217;t like formula retail, they won&#8217;t shop there and it will fail.  But if a formula retail flourishes it must be because the residents actually like shopping there &#8212; so why do MEDA, MAC and Ammiano claim to be representing the neighborhood when they try to ban it?<br />
(on a side note, it would be nice to have a decent gym in the area so I wouldn&#8217;t have to drive across town to one).</p>
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		<title>By: zinzin</title>
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		<dc:creator>zinzin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Dec 2008 20:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[so how did they amass so much power?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so how did they amass so much power?</p>
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