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		<title>By: Hey Bro, Need Some Denim? &#171; Mission Mission</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2009/03/07/obsessed-with-denim/#comment-4967</link>
		<dc:creator>Hey Bro, Need Some Denim? &#171; Mission Mission</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: sillybandzwholesale</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2009/03/07/obsessed-with-denim/#comment-4966</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 15:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for your sharing.It is very nice post.I like it so much.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your sharing.It is very nice post.I like it so much.</p>
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		<title>By: sidneylo</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2009/03/07/obsessed-with-denim/#comment-4965</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 21:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@agent_torpor Self Edge is kind of a dirty sex-tape store. I&#039;ll give you a reacharound if you promise to ask nicely.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@agent_torpor Self Edge is kind of a dirty sex-tape store. I&#8217;ll give you a reacharound if you promise to ask nicely.</p>
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		<title>By: agent_torpor</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2009/03/07/obsessed-with-denim/#comment-4964</link>
		<dc:creator>agent_torpor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 21:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry, i&#039;d rather have the dirty sex-tape store back than some denim-clad hipsters with more $$ than brains.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, i&#8217;d rather have the dirty sex-tape store back than some denim-clad hipsters with more $$ than brains.</p>
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		<title>By: Gregg</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2009/03/07/obsessed-with-denim/#comment-4963</link>
		<dc:creator>Gregg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 05:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is one of the best and worst dialogues I&#039;ve read in a really long time. I have to echo ZinZin&#039;s praise for Kiya keeping a cool head amongst some of the most ignorant and arrogant posts following the article. Asking Kiya to break down his margins on his products is incredibly tacky. The products at Self Edge carry a specific pricepoint because they are what they are. If you don&#039;t get why a garment should retail for a specific price that&#039;s fine, do some research if you want to know, or just don&#039;t buy them, but insinuating that Kiya or Self Edge are &quot;taking advantage&quot; of a consumer is absurd. It borders on complete imcompetence, and I&#039;m talking to you &quot;Bodah&quot;. Every person has something they enjoy, whether it be denim, wine, a car, a book, whatever. It&#039;s up to that person to determine the value of the good, and if it&#039;s worth it to them to get it. To call someone out, or put them down because they enjoy a specific product (whether or not you can personally afford it), is ridiculous. Nobody is making you buy it or not buy it. It&#039;s a customer&#039;s decision. I&#039;m not going to tell you it&#039;s dumb to spend $5,000 of a piece of artwork, because what you choose to spend your money on is your decision and doesn&#039;t impact me. Kiya operates a store for a clientele that obviously exists and demands his products, and it doesn&#039;t matter if you like it or not. It is what it is. You don&#039;t have a &quot;right&quot; to buy his goods, you have a privelage to purchase them at the price Kiya and his consumer agree upon, so let&#039;s lay off the whole &quot;poor blue collar worker&quot; thing. It&#039;s so tired. Kiya, glad to see you be successful doing what you love. Bodah (and others), I&#039;m sorry that you have nothing at all better to do. Get a hobby (or maybe just a better paying job).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is one of the best and worst dialogues I&#8217;ve read in a really long time. I have to echo ZinZin&#8217;s praise for Kiya keeping a cool head amongst some of the most ignorant and arrogant posts following the article. Asking Kiya to break down his margins on his products is incredibly tacky. The products at Self Edge carry a specific pricepoint because they are what they are. If you don&#8217;t get why a garment should retail for a specific price that&#8217;s fine, do some research if you want to know, or just don&#8217;t buy them, but insinuating that Kiya or Self Edge are &#8220;taking advantage&#8221; of a consumer is absurd. It borders on complete imcompetence, and I&#8217;m talking to you &#8220;Bodah&#8221;. Every person has something they enjoy, whether it be denim, wine, a car, a book, whatever. It&#8217;s up to that person to determine the value of the good, and if it&#8217;s worth it to them to get it. To call someone out, or put them down because they enjoy a specific product (whether or not you can personally afford it), is ridiculous. Nobody is making you buy it or not buy it. It&#8217;s a customer&#8217;s decision. I&#8217;m not going to tell you it&#8217;s dumb to spend $5,000 of a piece of artwork, because what you choose to spend your money on is your decision and doesn&#8217;t impact me. Kiya operates a store for a clientele that obviously exists and demands his products, and it doesn&#8217;t matter if you like it or not. It is what it is. You don&#8217;t have a &#8220;right&#8221; to buy his goods, you have a privelage to purchase them at the price Kiya and his consumer agree upon, so let&#8217;s lay off the whole &#8220;poor blue collar worker&#8221; thing. It&#8217;s so tired. Kiya, glad to see you be successful doing what you love. Bodah (and others), I&#8217;m sorry that you have nothing at all better to do. Get a hobby (or maybe just a better paying job).</p>
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		<title>By: Clay</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2009/03/07/obsessed-with-denim/#comment-4962</link>
		<dc:creator>Clay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 20:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@zinzin oh for sure. I actually did not disagree with anything you said. I was just ranting more :) I think we are on the same page.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@zinzin oh for sure. I actually did not disagree with anything you said. I was just ranting more <img src='http://www.missionmission.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I think we are on the same page.</p>
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		<title>By: zinzin</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2009/03/07/obsessed-with-denim/#comment-4961</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 20:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@kiya / clay - sorry if i mis-stated...i wasn&#039;t trying to say that y&#039;all cater ONLY to the newly arrived condo crowd, or that you&#039;re aligned in any way with them, good or bad. obviously ALL KINDS of people love your store &amp; product...just look at the support in these posts.

i&#039;m just saying that, for the most part, development in our hood is a good thing - not &quot;the thing that&#039;s wrong&quot; - and that you all should be PROUD of your accomplishments and place in our changing community.

imho, condos with tax-paying, potentially-jeans-buying humans that might actually give a fuck about the mission, are CLEARLY better for the hood than derelict parking lots in an area thick with public transpo.

maybe not as good as a big block of housing slated for first-time buyers (which these will likely not be)....but still good.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@kiya / clay &#8211; sorry if i mis-stated&#8230;i wasn&#8217;t trying to say that y&#8217;all cater ONLY to the newly arrived condo crowd, or that you&#8217;re aligned in any way with them, good or bad. obviously ALL KINDS of people love your store &amp; product&#8230;just look at the support in these posts.</p>
<p>i&#8217;m just saying that, for the most part, development in our hood is a good thing &#8211; not &#8220;the thing that&#8217;s wrong&#8221; &#8211; and that you all should be PROUD of your accomplishments and place in our changing community.</p>
<p>imho, condos with tax-paying, potentially-jeans-buying humans that might actually give a fuck about the mission, are CLEARLY better for the hood than derelict parking lots in an area thick with public transpo.</p>
<p>maybe not as good as a big block of housing slated for first-time buyers (which these will likely not be)&#8230;.but still good.</p>
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		<title>By: Clay</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2009/03/07/obsessed-with-denim/#comment-4960</link>
		<dc:creator>Clay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 19:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No one. Absolutely no one I know pays that much for a 1br apt anywhere from 14th st to Cesar Chavez. nice blanket comment ian.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one. Absolutely no one I know pays that much for a 1br apt anywhere from 14th st to Cesar Chavez. nice blanket comment ian.</p>
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		<title>By: ian</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2009/03/07/obsessed-with-denim/#comment-4959</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 19:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yo, I don&#039;t live in the mission, but I searched for apartments there once. They averaged 2500 for a 1 bedroom. How you people gonna complain about people charging &quot;too  much&quot; for some jeans when you live in a ridiculously priced neighborhood. I&#039;d much rather have a pair of jeans that I can clearly see the superior quality of, then pay 5 times as much for rent as I do now just to have the same 4 damn walls and say I live in &quot;the mission&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yo, I don&#8217;t live in the mission, but I searched for apartments there once. They averaged 2500 for a 1 bedroom. How you people gonna complain about people charging &#8220;too  much&#8221; for some jeans when you live in a ridiculously priced neighborhood. I&#8217;d much rather have a pair of jeans that I can clearly see the superior quality of, then pay 5 times as much for rent as I do now just to have the same 4 damn walls and say I live in &#8220;the mission&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: ian</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2009/03/07/obsessed-with-denim/#comment-4958</link>
		<dc:creator>ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 19:36:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yo, I don&#039;t live in the mission, but I searched for apartments there once. They averaged 2500 for a 1 bedroom. How you people gonna complain about people charging &quot;too much&quot; for some jeans when you live in a ridiculously priced neighborhood. I&#039;d much rather have a pair of jeans that I can clearly see the superior quality of, then pay 5 times as much for rent as I do now just to have the same 4 damn walls and say I live in &quot;the mission&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yo, I don&#8217;t live in the mission, but I searched for apartments there once. They averaged 2500 for a 1 bedroom. How you people gonna complain about people charging &#8220;too much&#8221; for some jeans when you live in a ridiculously priced neighborhood. I&#8217;d much rather have a pair of jeans that I can clearly see the superior quality of, then pay 5 times as much for rent as I do now just to have the same 4 damn walls and say I live in &#8220;the mission&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Clay</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2009/03/07/obsessed-with-denim/#comment-4957</link>
		<dc:creator>Clay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 19:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[sorry for the double post,  I accidentally posted as Kiya :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry for the double post,  I accidentally posted as Kiya <img src='http://www.missionmission.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Clay</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2009/03/07/obsessed-with-denim/#comment-4956</link>
		<dc:creator>Clay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 19:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@zinzin agreed on the real problem being that most people who really have something to say, don&#039;t. And the best solution to this problem would be for them or even I to contribute to the council meetings that make or break 5 story condos possible for the landscape of the Mission.

I understand that this complex next to our store will bring in clientele, but I want it to be known that this type of clientele is not our main focus. Many people in this post think this is who were are catering to, but really our intention is to accommodate for any walk of life that walks into our store. I am proud of our lack of judgment and  relentless passion to get ANYONE just as enthusiastic about our products just as much as we are.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@zinzin agreed on the real problem being that most people who really have something to say, don&#8217;t. And the best solution to this problem would be for them or even I to contribute to the council meetings that make or break 5 story condos possible for the landscape of the Mission.</p>
<p>I understand that this complex next to our store will bring in clientele, but I want it to be known that this type of clientele is not our main focus. Many people in this post think this is who were are catering to, but really our intention is to accommodate for any walk of life that walks into our store. I am proud of our lack of judgment and  relentless passion to get ANYONE just as enthusiastic about our products just as much as we are.</p>
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		<title>By: kiya</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2009/03/07/obsessed-with-denim/#comment-4955</link>
		<dc:creator>kiya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 19:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@zinzin agreed on the real problem being that most people who really have something to say, don&#039;t. And the best solution to this problem would be for them or even I to contribute to the council meetings that make or break 5 story condos possible for the landscape of the Mission.

I understand that this complex next to our store will bring in clientele, but I want it to be known that this type of clientele is not our main focus. Many people in this post think this is who were are catering to, but really our intention is to accommodate for any walk of life that walks into our store. I am proud of our lack of judgment and  relentless passion to get ANYONE just as enthusiastic about our products just as much as we are.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@zinzin agreed on the real problem being that most people who really have something to say, don&#8217;t. And the best solution to this problem would be for them or even I to contribute to the council meetings that make or break 5 story condos possible for the landscape of the Mission.</p>
<p>I understand that this complex next to our store will bring in clientele, but I want it to be known that this type of clientele is not our main focus. Many people in this post think this is who were are catering to, but really our intention is to accommodate for any walk of life that walks into our store. I am proud of our lack of judgment and  relentless passion to get ANYONE just as enthusiastic about our products just as much as we are.</p>
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		<title>By: zinzin</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2009/03/07/obsessed-with-denim/#comment-4954</link>
		<dc:creator>zinzin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 16:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@clay - impassioned post. well said &amp; personally, i mostly agree.

that said, i&#039;d argue &quot;the real fucking problem with the Mission&quot; is the complete lack of a current and inclusive voice in city politics, and a backward, dated, hollow, ineffective, corrupt notion of &quot;progressive activism&quot; that has consistently defined / hobbled the neighborhood.

a condo development on your corner is decidedly NOT &quot;the real fucking problem with the Mission&quot;(though i do agree 5 stories on that corner is silly).

more than likely, some of the folks that live in those condos will shop your store.

Self Edge is part of the changes our hood has seen and will see - a good part - but don&#039;t think you&#039;re not.

and as you say, your part of the change is positive. be proud of it. change is inevitable. change is good. change is (if managed &amp; considered) progress, particularly in the mission.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@clay &#8211; impassioned post. well said &amp; personally, i mostly agree.</p>
<p>that said, i&#8217;d argue &#8220;the real fucking problem with the Mission&#8221; is the complete lack of a current and inclusive voice in city politics, and a backward, dated, hollow, ineffective, corrupt notion of &#8220;progressive activism&#8221; that has consistently defined / hobbled the neighborhood.</p>
<p>a condo development on your corner is decidedly NOT &#8220;the real fucking problem with the Mission&#8221;(though i do agree 5 stories on that corner is silly).</p>
<p>more than likely, some of the folks that live in those condos will shop your store.</p>
<p>Self Edge is part of the changes our hood has seen and will see &#8211; a good part &#8211; but don&#8217;t think you&#8217;re not.</p>
<p>and as you say, your part of the change is positive. be proud of it. change is inevitable. change is good. change is (if managed &amp; considered) progress, particularly in the mission.</p>
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		<title>By: Clay</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2009/03/07/obsessed-with-denim/#comment-4953</link>
		<dc:creator>Clay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 01:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thought I should pitch in on this one.

This is healthy discussion and some points are very uneducated and are formed as puberty mood-swings tiffs, but most comments are posing good questions and tactful rhetoric.

As one of the employees at Self Edge (a local), I live around the block, I drink coffee from everywhere because the Mission has delicious coffee everywhere, from 14th to 24th ST...I buy my groceries mostly from Mi Ranchita on Mission x Sycamore, or other small markets (even Bi-Rite because they have hard to find quality shit) and frequent pretty much every bar, restaurant, live venue shows, punk house shows, and fuck I even give people alcohol and food at my own place when throwing music/art shows out of my garage in Clarion Ally. I support my neighborhood, just as Kiya does.

Point being, to live in the mission means to be able to experience all of this. Self Edge proves that the Mission can still offer more. Let&#039;s be honest, the Mission has been changing ever since Willy Brown came in to the SF office. Thus bringing in higher rent control and options for even larger companies such as Sketchers on Mission to set up shop. Self Edge finally gives this once punk, diy, and now clearly gentrified area something to look forward to. For example, who the fuck made it ok for a 5 story condo complex to go right next to our store??? Probably that asshole Newsome. Definitely not us holmes. We have nothing to do with the large scale building changes which are the real fucking problems with the Mission. In fact we are supporting so much that &quot;was&quot; the mission...by taking over a rundown business and giving a historical retail space a new and thriving face for the future. Fuck your self-righteous arguments and nay-saying on quality product. I dare any of you to visit the WORK SHOPS in Japan where our products are made, and then visit your beloved Levi&#039;s sweatshops in god-knows-where Asia. Then try to tell us we are gentrifying and hurting the businesses in the Mission. It&#039;s time to grow and keep this beautiful neighborhood alive. It&#039;s time for people who were the punks to start making businesses that reflect their passions... and at last making it a possibility for the Mission to stay somewhat intact with conscious and kind businesses.

Thank you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thought I should pitch in on this one.</p>
<p>This is healthy discussion and some points are very uneducated and are formed as puberty mood-swings tiffs, but most comments are posing good questions and tactful rhetoric.</p>
<p>As one of the employees at Self Edge (a local), I live around the block, I drink coffee from everywhere because the Mission has delicious coffee everywhere, from 14th to 24th ST&#8230;I buy my groceries mostly from Mi Ranchita on Mission x Sycamore, or other small markets (even Bi-Rite because they have hard to find quality shit) and frequent pretty much every bar, restaurant, live venue shows, punk house shows, and fuck I even give people alcohol and food at my own place when throwing music/art shows out of my garage in Clarion Ally. I support my neighborhood, just as Kiya does.</p>
<p>Point being, to live in the mission means to be able to experience all of this. Self Edge proves that the Mission can still offer more. Let&#8217;s be honest, the Mission has been changing ever since Willy Brown came in to the SF office. Thus bringing in higher rent control and options for even larger companies such as Sketchers on Mission to set up shop. Self Edge finally gives this once punk, diy, and now clearly gentrified area something to look forward to. For example, who the fuck made it ok for a 5 story condo complex to go right next to our store??? Probably that asshole Newsome. Definitely not us holmes. We have nothing to do with the large scale building changes which are the real fucking problems with the Mission. In fact we are supporting so much that &#8220;was&#8221; the mission&#8230;by taking over a rundown business and giving a historical retail space a new and thriving face for the future. Fuck your self-righteous arguments and nay-saying on quality product. I dare any of you to visit the WORK SHOPS in Japan where our products are made, and then visit your beloved Levi&#8217;s sweatshops in god-knows-where Asia. Then try to tell us we are gentrifying and hurting the businesses in the Mission. It&#8217;s time to grow and keep this beautiful neighborhood alive. It&#8217;s time for people who were the punks to start making businesses that reflect their passions&#8230; and at last making it a possibility for the Mission to stay somewhat intact with conscious and kind businesses.</p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
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