Comments on: Undercover Takedown at Muddy Waters

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By: native_son

native_son — Tue, 14 Apr 2009 01:08:21 +0000

And….scene!

By: zinzin

zinzin — Mon, 13 Apr 2009 23:47:30 +0000

thanks all for the love fest & conciliatory gestures (and kind words). testament to the good work of this blog (and allan).

everyone here feels strongly invested in the hood, and that’s a great thing…it’s rare, and something of which we can be proud. and there’s something for everyone…the mission’s diversity is unparalleled on many many levels.

@pirate, far as my threads, that is one for sure. the other is pro-safety (or anti-pimp/ho and anti-harddrugpeddler).

it’s funny…for all the typing i do on this blog (and i type very very fast), i really only say 2 or 3 things.

By: piratesnack

piratesnack — Mon, 13 Apr 2009 21:53:11 +0000

I have to say that I’ve enjoyed this debate, in part because everybody is in agreement. Every one here agrees that there is nothing wrong with taking pictures of the police. Everybody agrees that “undercover” cops don’t make arrests. So there’s no risk of blowing anybody’s cover. And everybody agrees that the cop probably shouldn’t yell at people taking his picture but it’s not that big of a deal in the end. So, in the words of Mr. King, can’t we all just get along?

As for Zinzin, I enjoy his commenting. Most of the time (present entry excepted) his a welcome voice of reason. The common thread I have noted in his comments on the more controversial subjects is a very reasonable belief in the value of property rights (anti-tagger, pro-American Apparel). I have wondered whether it is that political position in part what rubs people the wrong way? I think we can all agree that the defense of property rights is not as popular in the Mission as it would be in many other places.

By: 26thStreet

26thStreet — Mon, 13 Apr 2009 20:03:40 +0000

Guero, maybe I am wrong but I don’t think I see you doing the (as Nativeson said) Bill O’Reilly thing- Your voice is very clear and strong but I don’t think you are trying to overpower the conversation with it.
Native_Son, great comment.
Now that I have gotten all that off my chest, I just want to say this: I lived through my teens in a suburb where the cops still beat up people for being black, take drugs from people and sell them, and rape women when they pull them over (yep, it has happened in recent years). I was taught that if I was driving by myself at night and I got pulled over, I should drive slowly, indicate that I did not intend to flee, and not pull over until I found a more populace area. It was VERY scary. Needless to say, I had a hard time adjusting to how laid back the police are here and I think that a lot of people are sensitive to the potential for mistreatment because they were raised around similar situations as I was. As I witnessed a friend of mine (a small boned girl about 5’5″) get beat up by 4 cops a few weeks ago (she was not resisting) I felt horrible for not having a camera. Luckily someone else did.
Citizens’ vigilance is vital in preventing brutality.

By: native_son

native_son — Mon, 13 Apr 2009 18:04:04 +0000

Zin,

No harm, no foul.

You are right about how some people treat cops in this City. San Francisco has a strange political and social philosophy; one that is entrepeneural and socialist and libertarian and progressive and tolerant and intolerant. For some, mainly transplants, it’s “Cool! SF is so wacky!” For us that are from here, it’s just the way it’s always been and it’s kind of strange seeing the City reflected off our newcomers.

I think all of this means that some of our residents will have a natural skeptism or even outright hostility toward any figure of authority. Thing is, it’s not directed at cops in particular. Art Agnos got it. Jordan got it. Willie got it. Newsome gets it. Daly gets it. Meter maids get it daily. Hell, even within the force, Fong gets it. Everyone catches hell. Lord knows I do.

But really, other than drunk assholes in North Beach on Fridays, I don’t see outright, in your face, hostility toward cops from your everyday, sober SF resident. There are huge swaths within our demographic that are extremely proud of our cops. The old guard–the Irish, the Italians–love our cops. The new guard–the Chinese, the Latinos–love that thier sons and daughters wear the badge. Seriously, it’s like, holy fuck! Check that out! Our family is pretty much totally fucking American now! And that is awesome.

When I see a cop tailing me when I drive, naturally, I think, “Fuck.” When I see a cop walking the beat, I give a quick head nod or a quick touch of my hat. When a cop sings the national anthem at the ballgame, 45,000 people stand. If one sits, I think, “That’s cool. I’ll stand, you’ll sit. All good.”

I’ve never posted before, but I’ve been reading on the sidelines for a while, and I think, Zin, you’re a smart person. We probably disagree on a lot, but I’d like to think that we could sit at a bar over a pint and talk. But I think that there’s something to be said about what some posters mentioned above. You’re a smart guy. You have smart things to say. But the way you say it, it’s pretty much Bill O’Reilly, right? I can almost see your finger poking into the chest of whoever, telling them to sit down and shut up. That’s a shame. There are so many blogs out there that are so snarky or cynical or just not a fun place to be. This blog doesn’t seem to be that kind of a place. Let this blog be that proverbial bar stool. Take a shot, sip the pint, and let’s wax poetic about nothing and about everything.

By: guero

guero — Mon, 13 Apr 2009 17:18:09 +0000

26th Street & Gadzook – obviously my opinions about things in the neighborhood are pretty much in line with zinzin, so my comments are probably not in your favor either. But I don’t think calling some one a “fucking tryant” because they don’t agree with you is fair. The truth is there are many different people with different opinions – some love graffiti, some don’t, etc.
I don’t know understand why you should feel less inclined to chime in on your thoughts. I happen to love this blog because it is about my neighborhood and the things and people it. I don’t agree with a lot of things that Jimbeam says on here but that doesn’t mean I want him or anyone else to stop posting their opinions. I think that’s it kind of sad that you want to hear only one perceived side. I personally love what Allan has done here because he throws out everything – the light, the funky, the fluff,the crazy, and the serious. I like it here because there is diversity – of food, of people, and opinions. I hope you don’t stop commenting and I hope zinzin doesn’t either. Plus zinzin drank booze with the redman in his SRO, which automatically make him fucking cool.

By: treatave

treatave — Mon, 13 Apr 2009 17:05:30 +0000

yeah i question if it’s the best idea to take pics of undercover cops. that dude probably had it coming to him in a big way.

By: jimbeam

jimbeam — Mon, 13 Apr 2009 16:27:17 +0000

The cops in SF, in my experience, tend to be the most laid back, understanding and fair cops I’ve encountered (Boston, Hartford, Columbus, OH and now DC). Cops in DC really, really don’t give a fuck about how they treat people. In SF, every interaction I’ve had and seen involved some level of understanding, respect and listening to those involved.

By: 26thStreet

26thStreet — Mon, 13 Apr 2009 15:50:15 +0000

You’re right johnny0, and Zinzin is very good at what he/she does.
The way I see it, other people have had some really valuable things to say that have been unfairly trashed. I wish certain people cared more about content than being the best comment arguer man. If Zinzin started his own blog I would definitely read it, but after a few months of reading this blog, I just don’t like feeling like I can’t share my thoughts. I like people. I like graffiti. I like this neighborhood and the things in it. The constant barrage of negative shit about things I like in a place I’ve fought tooth and nail to be able to live in is really a downer.

By: johnny0

johnny0 — Mon, 13 Apr 2009 15:30:49 +0000

Both King Zinzin’s comments and his loyal opposition’s reactions makes this all pretty fun and interesting stuff to watch.

By: zinzin

zinzin — Mon, 13 Apr 2009 15:23:06 +0000

“moralisticassholeism” is an excellent term.

thanks y’all for the advice.

i know it was all said with love. for the blog, i mean.

By: GadZOOK

GadZOOK — Mon, 13 Apr 2009 10:56:31 +0000

Sorry to have to bring another burst of negativity into the MM comments section. A chance to cut is a chance to cure.

@zinzin

You should really consider taking a break from posting here. You write too much. You repeat yourself too much. You froth too much. You’re devoting way, way too much time and energy to trolling this blog. You’re sounding like an old fart in an echo chamber.

Get out more–get some cardio exercise or go yell at your neighbors face to face. I can feel your blood pressure rising in these posts. I know it feels like your high on the utter rightness the words you type (and maybe a little caffeine), but your really just having a big fat wank, and it’s unpleasant to watch. The ideas and sentiments you keep hammering aren’t revolutionary; they’re pablum–the only real controversy comes from your tone.

Go practice getting actual people to pay attention to you, then stay there in the real world. This venue doesn’t favor you.

Not @zinzin

Now that that’s done, can we tone down the divisiveness a notch and focus more on fun and interesting stuff?

By: 26thStreet

26thStreet — Mon, 13 Apr 2009 09:47:47 +0000

By the way, I agree that violent criminals shouldn’t be allowed to hurt innocent people. I’m not an asshole. I’m just saying…

By: 26thStreet

26thStreet — Mon, 13 Apr 2009 09:46:49 +0000

Letter to Zinzin: You should think before you comment. You cause many stupid arguments with your comment thread tyranny. You repeatedly jump down the throats of anyone you can argue with. PS in any situation involving police officers there is the right for bystanders to take badge numbers. People have inalienable rights, and you are nothing but a tyrant. I have been getting sicker and sicker of your outpourings of hate for your own (?) neighborhood and your disdain for the opinions that your neighbors share here. I feel that your excessive commenting has closed it off as a forum for talk about the culture of our lovely neighborhood. You seem to be waiting at every turn to criticize those who don’t agree with your moralisticassholeism. You are well spoken but very cold and horribly self righteous and I am done reading the comment sections of this (awesome!) blog because I actually like my neighborhood, and I’m really sick of hearing you rant. And like I said earlier, you are a fucking tyrant. Thanks….NOT!