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	<title>Comments on: Dolores Park Street Fight</title>
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		<title>By: zinzin</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2009/06/23/dolores-park-street-fight/#comment-7729</link>
		<dc:creator>zinzin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[jeez i&#039;ve really munged up the proper comment / reply structure there. sorry...

i&#039;m up early oppressing the poor &amp; working people on my block - mostly by volunteering at neighborhood and community organizations, but i&#039;m also helping my neighbor open a business (authentic street food style from el df - watch for it!), oh and there&#039;s the copper mine in my back yard on capp street, and my manufacturing business for nike in the garage - so i wasn&#039;t paying much attention to that imperialist structure telling me what to do.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jeez i&#8217;ve really munged up the proper comment / reply structure there. sorry&#8230;</p>
<p>i&#8217;m up early oppressing the poor &amp; working people on my block &#8211; mostly by volunteering at neighborhood and community organizations, but i&#8217;m also helping my neighbor open a business (authentic street food style from el df &#8211; watch for it!), oh and there&#8217;s the copper mine in my back yard on capp street, and my manufacturing business for nike in the garage &#8211; so i wasn&#8217;t paying much attention to that imperialist structure telling me what to do.</p>
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		<title>By: zinzin</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2009/06/23/dolores-park-street-fight/#comment-7728</link>
		<dc:creator>zinzin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[hi francis - i&#039;m sorry i&#039;ve irked you so. perhaps you&#039;d like to try and string a cogent sentence or 2 together, and maybe i can understand your points. i don&#039;t care if you call me names - really - i dont - but all you&#039;re doing is saying &quot;you&#039;re a dick&quot;...so i cant really respond with anything.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi francis &#8211; i&#8217;m sorry i&#8217;ve irked you so. perhaps you&#8217;d like to try and string a cogent sentence or 2 together, and maybe i can understand your points. i don&#8217;t care if you call me names &#8211; really &#8211; i dont &#8211; but all you&#8217;re doing is saying &#8220;you&#8217;re a dick&#8221;&#8230;so i cant really respond with anything.</p>
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		<title>By: zinzin</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2009/06/23/dolores-park-street-fight/#comment-7727</link>
		<dc:creator>zinzin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ 26th - that&#039;s an excellent point. and i dont call it fair. that&#039;s why i am talking about legitimization, regulation, and legalization for sex work. as long as the pimps run the show, and as long as women are walking the streets (even in the absence of pimps), this will be the case.

no one wants prostitutes walking up &amp; down their blocks (or i should say, very few people...apparently kevmo does). personally, i&#039;m not speaking from a moral point of view. simply from a safety point of view. the women may be perfectly nice (in my hood i wouldnt call them that), but the pimps &amp; johns pose a danger.

so, if the sex trade - the street level sex trade - were organized... i think these women would have a  better shake at the biz, at managing their own lives, their own safety, and a road out should they desire it.

fact is, incall prostitutes are (much more) rarely touched by the legal system, as they are generally more in control, often can run their biz without a pimp...and they&#039;re not walking the fucking streets making a nuisance of themselves and creating unsafe situations in front of people&#039;s homes. same goes for better organized outcall.

of course, women walking our blocks dont have the options to &quot;set up their own business&quot;. i get that.

but if the whole street sex work scene were legitimized WITH A PLAN (not like buillshit Prop K), i think true activism could emerge...activism from within the sex work community that could organize and help along even the most needy sex worker to provide either a safe road forward, or a safe road out.

of course, sf would have to get past its provincial attitude toward pretty much everything (particularly rules &amp; regulations),

and &quot;progressive&quot; politicians would actually have to find a real world solution to an actual problem, not just a bullshit smokescreen that appeals to white liberals who dont live anywhere near these type of issues and panders to the ineffective &amp; corrupt industrial &quot;Advocacy&quot; complex that currently exists.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ 26th &#8211; that&#8217;s an excellent point. and i dont call it fair. that&#8217;s why i am talking about legitimization, regulation, and legalization for sex work. as long as the pimps run the show, and as long as women are walking the streets (even in the absence of pimps), this will be the case.</p>
<p>no one wants prostitutes walking up &amp; down their blocks (or i should say, very few people&#8230;apparently kevmo does). personally, i&#8217;m not speaking from a moral point of view. simply from a safety point of view. the women may be perfectly nice (in my hood i wouldnt call them that), but the pimps &amp; johns pose a danger.</p>
<p>so, if the sex trade &#8211; the street level sex trade &#8211; were organized&#8230; i think these women would have a  better shake at the biz, at managing their own lives, their own safety, and a road out should they desire it.</p>
<p>fact is, incall prostitutes are (much more) rarely touched by the legal system, as they are generally more in control, often can run their biz without a pimp&#8230;and they&#8217;re not walking the fucking streets making a nuisance of themselves and creating unsafe situations in front of people&#8217;s homes. same goes for better organized outcall.</p>
<p>of course, women walking our blocks dont have the options to &#8220;set up their own business&#8221;. i get that.</p>
<p>but if the whole street sex work scene were legitimized WITH A PLAN (not like buillshit Prop K), i think true activism could emerge&#8230;activism from within the sex work community that could organize and help along even the most needy sex worker to provide either a safe road forward, or a safe road out.</p>
<p>of course, sf would have to get past its provincial attitude toward pretty much everything (particularly rules &amp; regulations),</p>
<p>and &#8220;progressive&#8221; politicians would actually have to find a real world solution to an actual problem, not just a bullshit smokescreen that appeals to white liberals who dont live anywhere near these type of issues and panders to the ineffective &amp; corrupt industrial &#8220;Advocacy&#8221; complex that currently exists.</p>
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		<title>By: 26th Street</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2009/06/23/dolores-park-street-fight/#comment-7726</link>
		<dc:creator>26th Street</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 08:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not to you, but it does seem that way to people who don&#039;t have much but are actually trying to make something of themselves and then they get arrested and it hinders that come-up they were going for. FUCK, I mean, someone who grew up with nothing turns to hoeing, gets a prostitution arrest, and suddenly she can never get another job because her potential employer doesn&#039;t want a prostitute around. You can&#039;t call that fair. You just can&#039;t.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to you, but it does seem that way to people who don&#8217;t have much but are actually trying to make something of themselves and then they get arrested and it hinders that come-up they were going for. FUCK, I mean, someone who grew up with nothing turns to hoeing, gets a prostitution arrest, and suddenly she can never get another job because her potential employer doesn&#8217;t want a prostitute around. You can&#8217;t call that fair. You just can&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: johnny0</title>
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		<dc:creator>johnny0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 03:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[sorry -- zinzin 1, francis 0.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry &#8212; zinzin 1, francis 0.</p>
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		<title>By: Francis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Francis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 02:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#039;zinzin:
“the popo- they live for the thrill of keeping poor people away from support and jobs and housing”

really? does that sound right?

not to me.&#039;


That is because you are so far on the senseless side of age and class that you have no connection to reality.  How much further do you insinst on embarrasing yourself by insisting to keep posting ignorant comments on a mission centric blog?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;zinzin:<br />
“the popo- they live for the thrill of keeping poor people away from support and jobs and housing”</p>
<p>really? does that sound right?</p>
<p>not to me.&#8217;</p>
<p>That is because you are so far on the senseless side of age and class that you have no connection to reality.  How much further do you insinst on embarrasing yourself by insisting to keep posting ignorant comments on a mission centric blog?</p>
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		<title>By: Francis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Francis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 01:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[johnny0,

a rebuttal is unnecessary, as an argument has not been made.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>johnny0,</p>
<p>a rebuttal is unnecessary, as an argument has not been made.</p>
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		<title>By: johnny0</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2009/06/23/dolores-park-street-fight/#comment-7722</link>
		<dc:creator>johnny0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 23:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Francis, so you&#039;re &quot;moved to comment&quot; yet you don&#039;t actually say anything.

If zinzin&#039;s as glaringly ignorant as you claim -- unlikely, in my opinion, but hey, opinions are like, well, you know -- it should be pretty easy to come up with a rebuttal.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Francis, so you&#8217;re &#8220;moved to comment&#8221; yet you don&#8217;t actually say anything.</p>
<p>If zinzin&#8217;s as glaringly ignorant as you claim &#8212; unlikely, in my opinion, but hey, opinions are like, well, you know &#8212; it should be pretty easy to come up with a rebuttal.</p>
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		<title>By: zinzin</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2009/06/23/dolores-park-street-fight/#comment-7721</link>
		<dc:creator>zinzin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[that i am raising young kids in the hood no doubt makes me the enemy of poor and working people everywhere.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that i am raising young kids in the hood no doubt makes me the enemy of poor and working people everywhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Mel</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2009/06/23/dolores-park-street-fight/#comment-7720</link>
		<dc:creator>Mel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No problem Francis.  My reply was mostly a silly reference to the movie Stripes (I&#039;m old-ish...).  But also made partly in zinzin&#039;s defense, as I usually find something of interest from commenters who are raising young kids in the Mission.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No problem Francis.  My reply was mostly a silly reference to the movie Stripes (I&#8217;m old-ish&#8230;).  But also made partly in zinzin&#8217;s defense, as I usually find something of interest from commenters who are raising young kids in the Mission.</p>
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		<title>By: zinzin</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2009/06/23/dolores-park-street-fight/#comment-7719</link>
		<dc:creator>zinzin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;the popo- they live for the thrill of keeping poor people away from support and jobs and housing&quot;

really? does that sound right?

not to me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the popo- they live for the thrill of keeping poor people away from support and jobs and housing&#8221;</p>
<p>really? does that sound right?</p>
<p>not to me.</p>
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		<title>By: zinzin</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2009/06/23/dolores-park-street-fight/#comment-7718</link>
		<dc:creator>zinzin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[what part is nonsense? the part that meth is bad for you? as i said, it&#039;s just my opinion.

i guess i should say...it&#039;s bad for me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what part is nonsense? the part that meth is bad for you? as i said, it&#8217;s just my opinion.</p>
<p>i guess i should say&#8230;it&#8217;s bad for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Francis</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2009/06/23/dolores-park-street-fight/#comment-7717</link>
		<dc:creator>Francis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mel,

I&#039;m sorry to come off very harshly, but I have been reading for quite awhile and pretty soft spoken and don&#039;t even usually comment, never been so moved to comment but by such ignorance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mel,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry to come off very harshly, but I have been reading for quite awhile and pretty soft spoken and don&#8217;t even usually comment, never been so moved to comment but by such ignorance.</p>
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		<title>By: 26th Street</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2009/06/23/dolores-park-street-fight/#comment-7716</link>
		<dc:creator>26th Street</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I forgot to say one thing: Although I&#039;m very annoyed at the state of (most of) the neighborhood these days, I don&#039;t think crime against innocent young girls is a good way to go. There are plenty of other tweakers to fuck with. Maybe their shoes are too ugly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forgot to say one thing: Although I&#8217;m very annoyed at the state of (most of) the neighborhood these days, I don&#8217;t think crime against innocent young girls is a good way to go. There are plenty of other tweakers to fuck with. Maybe their shoes are too ugly.</p>
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		<title>By: Mel</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2009/06/23/dolores-park-street-fight/#comment-7715</link>
		<dc:creator>Mel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lighten up, Francis.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lighten up, Francis.</p>
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