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	<title>Comments on: City-Sanctioned Muggers Harass and Rob Dolores Park-Goers</title>
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		<title>By: zinzin</title>
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		<dc:creator>zinzin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 20:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[you make a good point regarding more trash cans.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you make a good point regarding more trash cans.</p>
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		<title>By: Dealing With It</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dealing With It</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 19:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Impromptu birthday parties with 400 people, loud music and lots of trash left behind is NOT OK&quot;

No it is not OK but I think this is a bit of an exaggeration.  There are certainly days like that but I don&#039;t think this the norm.  Finally,  I don&#039;t think it would be hard to teach people to clean up after themselves.  A good start would be to have more trash cans.  However, throwing around citation and like is just going to cause confrontation.  It also makes people feel that it is them vs the city.  You don&#039;t really want to have that if you want people to respect a piece of government land.

&quot;The Park Police do NOT take “joy” in harrassing people&quot;

Some probably do and most don&#039;t.   I understand your attempt to humanize the park officials but you tend to de-humanize the people having parties.  These are bad times and entertainment needs to be cheap.  I don&#039;t think these people  WANT to make your life uncomfortable.

&quot;There are park rules and everyone needs to abide by them.&quot;

Yes but do you know what they are?  Does anyone?  Are these rules reasonable for the times?  What is your notion of perfect park patronage?

The first thing I would do for that park is add toilets and more trash cans.  If they did that and people were still peeing and leaving their waste out it would be hard for them upset if they did get a citation.

Also you have to imagine that this is because the Parks and Rec department needs to bring in more revenue.   $1000 rent for selling food in the park is a bit high for the people who typically sell food there.  It really needs to be lower.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Impromptu birthday parties with 400 people, loud music and lots of trash left behind is NOT OK&#8221;</p>
<p>No it is not OK but I think this is a bit of an exaggeration.  There are certainly days like that but I don&#8217;t think this the norm.  Finally,  I don&#8217;t think it would be hard to teach people to clean up after themselves.  A good start would be to have more trash cans.  However, throwing around citation and like is just going to cause confrontation.  It also makes people feel that it is them vs the city.  You don&#8217;t really want to have that if you want people to respect a piece of government land.</p>
<p>&#8220;The Park Police do NOT take “joy” in harrassing people&#8221;</p>
<p>Some probably do and most don&#8217;t.   I understand your attempt to humanize the park officials but you tend to de-humanize the people having parties.  These are bad times and entertainment needs to be cheap.  I don&#8217;t think these people  WANT to make your life uncomfortable.</p>
<p>&#8220;There are park rules and everyone needs to abide by them.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes but do you know what they are?  Does anyone?  Are these rules reasonable for the times?  What is your notion of perfect park patronage?</p>
<p>The first thing I would do for that park is add toilets and more trash cans.  If they did that and people were still peeing and leaving their waste out it would be hard for them upset if they did get a citation.</p>
<p>Also you have to imagine that this is because the Parks and Rec department needs to bring in more revenue.   $1000 rent for selling food in the park is a bit high for the people who typically sell food there.  It really needs to be lower.<br />
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		<title>By: Janton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 16:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Detailed story about how expensive, unnecessary,  and heavy handed the Park Rangers are:  http://www.sfexaminer.com/local/Lack-of-oversight-of-SF-park-patrol-raises-questions-50906812.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Detailed story about how expensive, unnecessary,  and heavy handed the Park Rangers are:  <a href="http://www.sfexaminer.com/local/Lack-of-oversight-of-SF-park-patrol-raises-questions-50906812.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.sfexaminer.com/local/Lack-of-oversight-of-SF-park-patrol-raises-questions-50906812.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gideon Kramer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gideon Kramer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 23:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The folks on this site making flippant remarks about alleged harrassment by &quot;people alleging to work for the City&quot; don&#039;t know what the hell they are talking about. Those people as Park Police, and they have every good reason to be there, folks. When people just set up big speakers and think they can have a raucous party in DP they need to realize that permits ARE required and that there are time/place/manner restrictions on park use, and that though many of these free-spirited souls think they can just do whatever they want, such is not the case. There are park rules and everyone needs to abide by them. If you consider that draconian or unreasonable, you&#039;re entitled to your opinion, but in my book, impromptu birthday parties with 400 people, loud music and lots of trash left behind is NOT OK. For those of us who live around the park and must contend with the aftermath of these &quot;fun events&quot; and the oblivious behavior of many of the participants, things look a bit different than to those who can come to the park from elsewhere, have a great time, leave all their detritus behind, and leave.

The Park Police do NOT take &quot;joy&quot; in harrassing people; they are trying to do their job and are stretched to the max. If you consider what they are doing &quot;harassment&quot; then I say, please, harass us more!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The folks on this site making flippant remarks about alleged harrassment by &#8220;people alleging to work for the City&#8221; don&#8217;t know what the hell they are talking about. Those people as Park Police, and they have every good reason to be there, folks. When people just set up big speakers and think they can have a raucous party in DP they need to realize that permits ARE required and that there are time/place/manner restrictions on park use, and that though many of these free-spirited souls think they can just do whatever they want, such is not the case. There are park rules and everyone needs to abide by them. If you consider that draconian or unreasonable, you&#8217;re entitled to your opinion, but in my book, impromptu birthday parties with 400 people, loud music and lots of trash left behind is NOT OK. For those of us who live around the park and must contend with the aftermath of these &#8220;fun events&#8221; and the oblivious behavior of many of the participants, things look a bit different than to those who can come to the park from elsewhere, have a great time, leave all their detritus behind, and leave.</p>
<p>The Park Police do NOT take &#8220;joy&#8221; in harrassing people; they are trying to do their job and are stretched to the max. If you consider what they are doing &#8220;harassment&#8221; then I say, please, harass us more!</p>
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		<title>By: Rec and Park to License More Street Food Carts &#171; Dolores Park View</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rec and Park to License More Street Food Carts &#171; Dolores Park View</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] is about to approve a harsh lean times budget and the Park Rangers have discovered the joys of harassing Dolores Park, this bit of news is reported by the Examiner&#8217;s Will Reisman. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is about to approve a harsh lean times budget and the Park Rangers have discovered the joys of harassing Dolores Park, this bit of news is reported by the Examiner&#8217;s Will Reisman. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Carlton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carlton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 11:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Same assholes, different day:               http://sfist.com/2009/07/05/overzealous_park_rangers.php
Call your Supoervisor, and tell him to do something about these jerks:
Bevan Dufty
(415) 554-6968 - voice
(415) 554-6909 - fax
Bevan.Dufty@sfgov.org
City Hall
1 Dr. Carlton B. Goodlett Place, Room 244
San Francisco, Ca 94102-4689
(415) 554-6968 - voice
(415) 554-6909 - fax
Bevan.Dufty@sfgov.org]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Same assholes, different day:               <a href="http://sfist.com/2009/07/05/overzealous_park_rangers.php" rel="nofollow">http://sfist.com/2009/07/05/overzealous_park_rangers.php</a><br />
Call your Supoervisor, and tell him to do something about these jerks:<br />
Bevan Dufty<br />
(415) 554-6968 &#8211; voice<br />
(415) 554-6909 &#8211; fax<br />
<a href="mailto:Bevan.Dufty@sfgov.org">Bevan.Dufty@sfgov.org</a><br />
City Hall<br />
1 Dr. Carlton B. Goodlett Place, Room 244<br />
San Francisco, Ca 94102-4689<br />
(415) 554-6968 &#8211; voice<br />
(415) 554-6909 &#8211; fax<br />
<a href="mailto:Bevan.Dufty@sfgov.org">Bevan.Dufty@sfgov.org</a></p>
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		<title>By: nearlynormalized</title>
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		<dc:creator>nearlynormalized</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:47:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Did they pick up the used condoms?  Any citizens arrests?  Give em a blow job and make them go away!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did they pick up the used condoms?  Any citizens arrests?  Give em a blow job and make them go away!!!</p>
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		<title>By: honeyelize</title>
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		<dc:creator>honeyelize</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[hi, I&#039;m from Vietnam. Nice to visit your blog]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi, I&#8217;m from Vietnam. Nice to visit your blog</p>
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		<title>By: lilian</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2009/07/13/city-sanctioned-muggers-harass-and-rob-dolores-park-goers/#comment-8554</link>
		<dc:creator>lilian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[hmm]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmm</p>
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		<title>By: Bjorn Toulousse</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2009/07/13/city-sanctioned-muggers-harass-and-rob-dolores-park-goers/#comment-8553</link>
		<dc:creator>Bjorn Toulousse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Only outlaws have fun]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only outlaws have fun</p>
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		<title>By: edaducha</title>
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		<dc:creator>edaducha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, what about the police and firemen being in on mobbing and gangstalking and harassing people.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, what about the police and firemen being in on mobbing and gangstalking and harassing people.</p>
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		<title>By: Becky</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2009/07/13/city-sanctioned-muggers-harass-and-rob-dolores-park-goers/#comment-8551</link>
		<dc:creator>Becky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 08:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oops, I guess there are City Park Rangers:

http://www.sfgov.org/site/recpark_index.asp?id=21884

The uniform is confusing, though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, I guess there are City Park Rangers:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sfgov.org/site/recpark_index.asp?id=21884" rel="nofollow">http://www.sfgov.org/site/recpark_index.asp?id=21884</a></p>
<p>The uniform is confusing, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Becky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Becky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 07:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not Park Rangers. Park Rangers carry guns, and Dolores Park isn&#039;t a State Park.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not Park Rangers. Park Rangers carry guns, and Dolores Park isn&#8217;t a State Park.</p>
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		<title>By: stiiv</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2009/07/13/city-sanctioned-muggers-harass-and-rob-dolores-park-goers/#comment-8549</link>
		<dc:creator>stiiv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 00:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Parking on the grass?  I dunno, man, that&#039;s pretty douchey.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Parking on the grass?  I dunno, man, that&#8217;s pretty douchey.</p>
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		<title>By: henry</title>
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		<dc:creator>henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 23:30:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tickets? Really?

I was fairly close to all this and didn&#039;t notice that. In fact I was watching with a beer in hand about 10 feet away, they looked my way but kept moving.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tickets? Really?</p>
<p>I was fairly close to all this and didn&#8217;t notice that. In fact I was watching with a beer in hand about 10 feet away, they looked my way but kept moving.</p>
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