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		<title>By: Douche LaDouche</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2009/12/06/gentrification-watch-an-up-and-coming-neighborhood/#comment-14311</link>
		<dc:creator>Douche LaDouche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 23:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What is up with all you people on two sides of a sociological fence? You&#039;re living up the American stereotype (nay, true image) of approaching an issue from only 2 sides. And the generalizations from all of you regarding class, subculture, and politics. Pathetic, ignorant, petty, and useless for society much less community.

Ah, but this is just a blog about OUR neighborhood, so I cease and desist. But, one analogy from a friend of mine who grew up in the Marina district prior to what it became today...

That neighborhood was comprised of a variety of classes and ethnic groups. Today, its not the only hipsters that those residents frown on (only regarding their clothing lifestyle choices, not their approach to community and city planning—if that ever came into their shortsighted heads) it was the yuppies whose sole interest was self-serving and basically destroyed the cohesion of tenants, property owners, and small businesses in the area. While the yuppies were educated claimed the intent of cleaning up and modernizing the neighborhood, they did so at the cost of the community that was thriving there instead bringing in outside businesses that took over what was.

Change is welcome, only of it benefits most to all those involved.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is up with all you people on two sides of a sociological fence? You&#8217;re living up the American stereotype (nay, true image) of approaching an issue from only 2 sides. And the generalizations from all of you regarding class, subculture, and politics. Pathetic, ignorant, petty, and useless for society much less community.</p>
<p>Ah, but this is just a blog about OUR neighborhood, so I cease and desist. But, one analogy from a friend of mine who grew up in the Marina district prior to what it became today&#8230;</p>
<p>That neighborhood was comprised of a variety of classes and ethnic groups. Today, its not the only hipsters that those residents frown on (only regarding their clothing lifestyle choices, not their approach to community and city planning—if that ever came into their shortsighted heads) it was the yuppies whose sole interest was self-serving and basically destroyed the cohesion of tenants, property owners, and small businesses in the area. While the yuppies were educated claimed the intent of cleaning up and modernizing the neighborhood, they did so at the cost of the community that was thriving there instead bringing in outside businesses that took over what was.</p>
<p>Change is welcome, only of it benefits most to all those involved.</p>
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		<title>By: jimbeam</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2009/12/06/gentrification-watch-an-up-and-coming-neighborhood/#comment-14310</link>
		<dc:creator>jimbeam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 23:27:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hahaha.  You continue to make racial comments!  I ignored it in the first post because it&#039;s almost too pathetic to address, yet still awesome.

1.  And yes, we do still call it Boalt (despite Berk&#039;s attempts at relabeling the school).

2-3.  If you think culture = purchasing power then you don&#039;t understand what the word culture means.  There have been several dominant subcultures in SF in the last 30 years that eschew pp as a way of measuring worth.  I think what you&#039;re seeing here is a backlash from a part of SF&#039;s counter-culture.  If you reread what I wrote, you&#039;d see I clearly stated that it&#039;s not about actual bank balances, it&#039;s about how people exercise that balance.  Cool and lame are always going to be arbitrary in a certain sense.  I&#039;m ok with that.

I could give you reasons for why Ed Hardy and cookie-cutter condominiums are lame.  They would be well reasoned, but we&#039;d never be able to completely universalize them.  It&#039;s an aesthetic argument that has meaning.  You can choose to ignore that, the same way you can choose to enjoy bad art.

4. Here&#039;s the point: SF (and cities in general) are homogenizing.  I think this is a bad thing.  I don&#039;t want the Mission to be exactly like the Marina (and vice versa, it&#039;s cool to be able to go to a different part of town that feels different).

The great thing is that you sound like a racist, yuppie douchebag.  I&#039;m sure in your little cookie-cutter big(shit)law world people couldn&#039;t possibly disagree with your assessment of the situation and still be intelligent.  Seems like you really benefited from your education.  ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hahaha.  You continue to make racial comments!  I ignored it in the first post because it&#8217;s almost too pathetic to address, yet still awesome.</p>
<p>1.  And yes, we do still call it Boalt (despite Berk&#8217;s attempts at relabeling the school).</p>
<p>2-3.  If you think culture = purchasing power then you don&#8217;t understand what the word culture means.  There have been several dominant subcultures in SF in the last 30 years that eschew pp as a way of measuring worth.  I think what you&#8217;re seeing here is a backlash from a part of SF&#8217;s counter-culture.  If you reread what I wrote, you&#8217;d see I clearly stated that it&#8217;s not about actual bank balances, it&#8217;s about how people exercise that balance.  Cool and lame are always going to be arbitrary in a certain sense.  I&#8217;m ok with that.</p>
<p>I could give you reasons for why Ed Hardy and cookie-cutter condominiums are lame.  They would be well reasoned, but we&#8217;d never be able to completely universalize them.  It&#8217;s an aesthetic argument that has meaning.  You can choose to ignore that, the same way you can choose to enjoy bad art.</p>
<p>4. Here&#8217;s the point: SF (and cities in general) are homogenizing.  I think this is a bad thing.  I don&#8217;t want the Mission to be exactly like the Marina (and vice versa, it&#8217;s cool to be able to go to a different part of town that feels different).</p>
<p>The great thing is that you sound like a racist, yuppie douchebag.  I&#8217;m sure in your little cookie-cutter big(shit)law world people couldn&#8217;t possibly disagree with your assessment of the situation and still be intelligent.  Seems like you really benefited from your education.  <img src='http://www.missionmission.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Bodah</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2009/12/06/gentrification-watch-an-up-and-coming-neighborhood/#comment-14309</link>
		<dc:creator>Bodah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 22:30:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[1.  they don&#039;t call it boalt anymore.

2.  &quot;the new loaded people are lame.  therein lies the problem.&quot;  the line of demarcation separating cool from lame is arbitrary and capricious (I too went to law school) at best.  just because what you have deemed &quot;lame&quot; is now supplanting what you call &quot;cool&quot; is adding nothing to the argument (your option on lame/cool is no more valid than Kiya&#039;s for example).

3.  your distinction between &quot;purchasing power&quot; and &quot;culture&quot; is a distinction without a difference.  specifically, purchasing power dictates culture/trend/style.  just because your point of view is losing ground does not mean the culture winning is wrong or bad.  in fact, this is the form of selfish thinking I was alluding to in my previous post.

4.  just because there is another neighborhood equipped to serve the needs of a particular clientele, that fact alone, is not dispositive on whether the mission should/could also serve that same clientele.

what i have learned is that jimbeam&#039;s intellectual prowess is rather weak especially for someone from a top 10 law school.  although I did not attend &quot;boalt&quot; (my law school was on the east coast) my experience with attorneys that have graduated from your purported institution leads me to believe that you either 1) don&#039;t attend &quot;boalt&quot; or 2) you got into the school based on something other than merit (e.g., nepotism or affirmative action).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1.  they don&#8217;t call it boalt anymore.</p>
<p>2.  &#8220;the new loaded people are lame.  therein lies the problem.&#8221;  the line of demarcation separating cool from lame is arbitrary and capricious (I too went to law school) at best.  just because what you have deemed &#8220;lame&#8221; is now supplanting what you call &#8220;cool&#8221; is adding nothing to the argument (your option on lame/cool is no more valid than Kiya&#8217;s for example).</p>
<p>3.  your distinction between &#8220;purchasing power&#8221; and &#8220;culture&#8221; is a distinction without a difference.  specifically, purchasing power dictates culture/trend/style.  just because your point of view is losing ground does not mean the culture winning is wrong or bad.  in fact, this is the form of selfish thinking I was alluding to in my previous post.</p>
<p>4.  just because there is another neighborhood equipped to serve the needs of a particular clientele, that fact alone, is not dispositive on whether the mission should/could also serve that same clientele.</p>
<p>what i have learned is that jimbeam&#8217;s intellectual prowess is rather weak especially for someone from a top 10 law school.  although I did not attend &#8220;boalt&#8221; (my law school was on the east coast) my experience with attorneys that have graduated from your purported institution leads me to believe that you either 1) don&#8217;t attend &#8220;boalt&#8221; or 2) you got into the school based on something other than merit (e.g., nepotism or affirmative action).</p>
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		<title>By: Bob-O</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2009/12/06/gentrification-watch-an-up-and-coming-neighborhood/#comment-14308</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob-O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 21:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Right after you parker...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right after you parker&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2009/12/06/gentrification-watch-an-up-and-coming-neighborhood/#comment-14307</link>
		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 21:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Who would pay that kind of money for jeans when you can get them for $15 at the Mexican-Cowboy store?

If I were you I would probably pry for condos too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who would pay that kind of money for jeans when you can get them for $15 at the Mexican-Cowboy store?</p>
<p>If I were you I would probably pry for condos too.</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2009/12/06/gentrification-watch-an-up-and-coming-neighborhood/#comment-14306</link>
		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 21:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I guess someone has to try to be the big-dick old skooler &#039;round these parts huh Marco.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess someone has to try to be the big-dick old skooler &#8217;round these parts huh Marco.</p>
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		<title>By: jimbeam</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2009/12/06/gentrification-watch-an-up-and-coming-neighborhood/#comment-14305</link>
		<dc:creator>jimbeam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 19:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[lol.  you are awesome.

it&#039;s less about purchasing power and more about culture.  this is where people simply don&#039;t get it.  there have always been loaded people in the mission (in the last 10 years, at least), except they were cool.  the new loaded people are lame.  therein lies the problem.  they want cookie-cutter condos and chain pizza places and probably upscale cocktails.  we have a neighborhood like that already in sf (several) and we don&#039;t need another one.

also, i am at boalt, so the poor/dumb argument doesn&#039;t work in this case.  (well, i am currently poor).

- jimbeam (laughing my way to the poorhouse, oops i mean bank)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol.  you are awesome.</p>
<p>it&#8217;s less about purchasing power and more about culture.  this is where people simply don&#8217;t get it.  there have always been loaded people in the mission (in the last 10 years, at least), except they were cool.  the new loaded people are lame.  therein lies the problem.  they want cookie-cutter condos and chain pizza places and probably upscale cocktails.  we have a neighborhood like that already in sf (several) and we don&#8217;t need another one.</p>
<p>also, i am at boalt, so the poor/dumb argument doesn&#8217;t work in this case.  (well, i am currently poor).</p>
<p>- jimbeam (laughing my way to the poorhouse, oops i mean bank)</p>
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		<title>By: jimbeam</title>
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		<dc:creator>jimbeam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[hahahahaha.  awesome.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hahahahaha.  awesome.</p>
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		<title>By: pixeltan</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2009/12/06/gentrification-watch-an-up-and-coming-neighborhood/#comment-14303</link>
		<dc:creator>pixeltan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 06:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Welcome to the club.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome to the club.</p>
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		<title>By: no.thanks.</title>
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		<dc:creator>no.thanks.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 00:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[jesus christ you fuckers are whiney faggots.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jesus christ you fuckers are whiney faggots.</p>
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		<title>By: jimbeam</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2009/12/06/gentrification-watch-an-up-and-coming-neighborhood/#comment-14301</link>
		<dc:creator>jimbeam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 00:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We all have access to the internet and are probably moderately educated.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We all have access to the internet and are probably moderately educated.</p>
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		<title>By: jimbeam</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2009/12/06/gentrification-watch-an-up-and-coming-neighborhood/#comment-14300</link>
		<dc:creator>jimbeam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You get your pass card when you&#039;re not a douche!  Duh!

Seriously though, don&#039;t give me some shit about yuppie this, yuppie that.  Fact is, those jeans are hella expensive.  It makes sense that you would want people with more money in closer proximity to the jeans.  This was Kevin&#039;s point after you called him names.

Seriously though, why does anyone think this is a who&#039;s lived here the longest contest?  You can live here a long time and still suck.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You get your pass card when you&#8217;re not a douche!  Duh!</p>
<p>Seriously though, don&#8217;t give me some shit about yuppie this, yuppie that.  Fact is, those jeans are hella expensive.  It makes sense that you would want people with more money in closer proximity to the jeans.  This was Kevin&#8217;s point after you called him names.</p>
<p>Seriously though, why does anyone think this is a who&#8217;s lived here the longest contest?  You can live here a long time and still suck.</p>
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		<title>By: marco</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2009/12/06/gentrification-watch-an-up-and-coming-neighborhood/#comment-14299</link>
		<dc:creator>marco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 18:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In 10-15 years you&#039;ll have matured enough to wonder why you can&#039;t live in a place without slipping in human shit when you step out your doorway; and if you still want that type of neighborhood, you should easily be able to move on over to the Tenderloin, which I&#039;m sure will not have change appreciably by then. In 10-15 years you might be pushing a stroller down the street and wondering how you can get one that&#039;s a bit more agile so you can swerve when some bum lying on the bench at the corner of Albion &amp; 17th has his dick out and is spraying urine toward your previous little spawn as you walk by on the sidewalk. In 10-15 years you&#039;ll be lamenting all the new era hipsters who who, despite their green vegan philosophies, still seem to have no problem with tossing their Pabst cans all over 16th St or Dolores Park, scrawling with permanent ink or pen on your property, or throwing up on your doormat at 3 in the morning. The Mission has been up and coming now for over two decades.

If it were the way it was 25 years ago -- your car would have been broken into dozens of times each year. If you don&#039;t have a car, your bike would have been stolen over and over again, or pieces ripped off it. If you went to the [insert hipster bar name here] you would have been the only guy there under the age of 50 -- and no hot chicks in sight. You would have to be content with only two types of food -- burritos and chinese, or a couple of extremely greasy eggs at Jim&#039;s. Yes, it was still sunny back then, I&#039;ll give you that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In 10-15 years you&#8217;ll have matured enough to wonder why you can&#8217;t live in a place without slipping in human shit when you step out your doorway; and if you still want that type of neighborhood, you should easily be able to move on over to the Tenderloin, which I&#8217;m sure will not have change appreciably by then. In 10-15 years you might be pushing a stroller down the street and wondering how you can get one that&#8217;s a bit more agile so you can swerve when some bum lying on the bench at the corner of Albion &amp; 17th has his dick out and is spraying urine toward your previous little spawn as you walk by on the sidewalk. In 10-15 years you&#8217;ll be lamenting all the new era hipsters who who, despite their green vegan philosophies, still seem to have no problem with tossing their Pabst cans all over 16th St or Dolores Park, scrawling with permanent ink or pen on your property, or throwing up on your doormat at 3 in the morning. The Mission has been up and coming now for over two decades.</p>
<p>If it were the way it was 25 years ago &#8212; your car would have been broken into dozens of times each year. If you don&#8217;t have a car, your bike would have been stolen over and over again, or pieces ripped off it. If you went to the [insert hipster bar name here] you would have been the only guy there under the age of 50 &#8212; and no hot chicks in sight. You would have to be content with only two types of food &#8212; burritos and chinese, or a couple of extremely greasy eggs at Jim&#8217;s. Yes, it was still sunny back then, I&#8217;ll give you that.</p>
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		<title>By: dogfella</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2009/12/06/gentrification-watch-an-up-and-coming-neighborhood/#comment-14298</link>
		<dc:creator>dogfella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 16:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d love to hear some of your solutions. Based in reality please.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d love to hear some of your solutions. Based in reality please.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Montgomery</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2009/12/06/gentrification-watch-an-up-and-coming-neighborhood/#comment-14297</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Montgomery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 11:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m a white boy, which means I embody pretty much every stereotype our people in the Mission have: grew up in the middle of Nowhere in a town of a population density of ~30 per square mile with animals weighing hundreds of pounds across the street, cooked pizza (and delivered it) through high school, was a mechanic / ate out of dumpsters through college, and decided I never wanted to be forced to eat ramen again so I got a job in tech when I ran out of gas money somewhere around Santa Cruz and eventually moved into an apartment that was above the means of anyone who doesn&#039;t work in tech.  Says a lot without saying anything about me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a white boy, which means I embody pretty much every stereotype our people in the Mission have: grew up in the middle of Nowhere in a town of a population density of ~30 per square mile with animals weighing hundreds of pounds across the street, cooked pizza (and delivered it) through high school, was a mechanic / ate out of dumpsters through college, and decided I never wanted to be forced to eat ramen again so I got a job in tech when I ran out of gas money somewhere around Santa Cruz and eventually moved into an apartment that was above the means of anyone who doesn&#8217;t work in tech.  Says a lot without saying anything about me.</p>
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