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		<title>By: D. Jon Moutarde</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2010/03/20/dolores-park-peeper/#comment-41797</link>
		<dc:creator>D. Jon Moutarde</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 20:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey, Mission Mission -- if ya want, I could volunteer to clean yer spam for ya.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Mission Mission &#8212; if ya want, I could volunteer to clean yer spam for ya.</p>
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		<title>By: ZamoraClare</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2010/03/20/dolores-park-peeper/#comment-41791</link>
		<dc:creator>ZamoraClare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Nov 2011 11:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The &lt;a href=&quot;http://goodfinance-blog.com/topics/personal-loans&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;personal loans&lt;/a&gt; suppose to be useful for guys, which want to ground their own company. By the way, it&#039;s not really hard to get a consolidation loan.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The <a href="http://goodfinance-blog.com/topics/personal-loans" rel="nofollow">personal loans</a> suppose to be useful for guys, which want to ground their own company. By the way, it&#8217;s not really hard to get a consolidation loan.</p>
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		<title>By: fr</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2010/03/20/dolores-park-peeper/#comment-17176</link>
		<dc:creator>fr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Feb 2011 17:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[if you guys only knew how many creepy dudes sit on the curb where this photos was taken, or generally hang around that area in the bushes, and spend their Saturday drinking and watching girls drop their pants for a squat you might be disgusted.  I live right by the bridge and have a clear view of these guys watching the public urinators (not to mention the public urinators themselves).

and fyi, new bathrooms are a part of the planned dp renovation, including a possible new building at the corner of church and 18th.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if you guys only knew how many creepy dudes sit on the curb where this photos was taken, or generally hang around that area in the bushes, and spend their Saturday drinking and watching girls drop their pants for a squat you might be disgusted.  I live right by the bridge and have a clear view of these guys watching the public urinators (not to mention the public urinators themselves).</p>
<p>and fyi, new bathrooms are a part of the planned dp renovation, including a possible new building at the corner of church and 18th.</p>
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		<title>By: Boys Bathroom Line Intolerably Long at Dolores Park &#171; Mission Mission</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2010/03/20/dolores-park-peeper/#comment-17175</link>
		<dc:creator>Boys Bathroom Line Intolerably Long at Dolores Park &#171; Mission Mission</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Feb 2011 05:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] have to endure the wait all alone.  Awww, now it&#8217;s kind of cute.  Sort of.  Cuter than the Dolores Park Peeper at [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] have to endure the wait all alone.  Awww, now it&#8217;s kind of cute.  Sort of.  Cuter than the Dolores Park Peeper at [...]</p>
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		<title>By: JP</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2010/03/20/dolores-park-peeper/#comment-17174</link>
		<dc:creator>JP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Oct 2010 15:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t pee on SF. &quot;Dooch&quot; is the kind of thing that goes through my mind when I see someone pissing on things in the neighborhood. If you can&#039;t or won&#039;t hold it or dispose of properly don&#039;t drink.  Thanks to the photo guy if it makes people reluctant to relieve themselves in non-toilette public spaces.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t pee on SF. &#8220;Dooch&#8221; is the kind of thing that goes through my mind when I see someone pissing on things in the neighborhood. If you can&#8217;t or won&#8217;t hold it or dispose of properly don&#8217;t drink.  Thanks to the photo guy if it makes people reluctant to relieve themselves in non-toilette public spaces.</p>
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		<title>By: New Toilets at Dolores Park! &#171; Mission Mission</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2010/03/20/dolores-park-peeper/#comment-17173</link>
		<dc:creator>New Toilets at Dolores Park! &#171; Mission Mission</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2010 17:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Excellent news! Now there will be no lines, and fewer people will fall victim to the Dolores Park Peeper. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Excellent news! Now there will be no lines, and fewer people will fall victim to the Dolores Park Peeper. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Donny</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2010/03/20/dolores-park-peeper/#comment-17172</link>
		<dc:creator>Donny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Mar 2010 03:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[peeing next to the train track is hardly the worst/creepy/scary  thing to be done or  to see people do next to those train tracks. priorities people.
and i think the reason for the original post, isnt an issue of being &quot;caught&quot; peeing in public. it&#039;s that this guys was lurking taking pics of many people in a creepy non documenting for the public good kinda way. like the guy who sits under the bleachers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>peeing next to the train track is hardly the worst/creepy/scary  thing to be done or  to see people do next to those train tracks. priorities people.<br />
and i think the reason for the original post, isnt an issue of being &#8220;caught&#8221; peeing in public. it&#8217;s that this guys was lurking taking pics of many people in a creepy non documenting for the public good kinda way. like the guy who sits under the bleachers.</p>
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		<title>By: chalkman</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2010/03/20/dolores-park-peeper/#comment-17171</link>
		<dc:creator>chalkman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 23:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hope they put Candlestick-style piss troughs in the DP bathrooms....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope they put Candlestick-style piss troughs in the DP bathrooms&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: tea</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2010/03/20/dolores-park-peeper/#comment-17170</link>
		<dc:creator>tea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Mar 2010 19:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The only thing I have to say that Uzbecca didn&#039;t already eloquently say for me is this: When I have to pee I use a fucking toilet. It doesn&#039;t matter if I have to wait 30 minutes (yes, last Easter at Dolores Park). I like toilet paper. I don&#039;t like squatting in the bushes like a dog, hoping someone won&#039;t snap my picture. I guess that makes me a grown-up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only thing I have to say that Uzbecca didn&#8217;t already eloquently say for me is this: When I have to pee I use a fucking toilet. It doesn&#8217;t matter if I have to wait 30 minutes (yes, last Easter at Dolores Park). I like toilet paper. I don&#8217;t like squatting in the bushes like a dog, hoping someone won&#8217;t snap my picture. I guess that makes me a grown-up.</p>
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		<title>By: Rod</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2010/03/20/dolores-park-peeper/#comment-17169</link>
		<dc:creator>Rod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 22:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Uzbecca, you seem to be putting your fingers in your ears and ignoring the point she is making over and over; people, well, most people, aren&#039;t peeing in the bushes because it seems like a jolly good game. they are doing it out of lack of alternatives, there need to be more bathrooms available.

this has been a problem for years, what do you do when you gotta go? wait in a 30 minute line? try going to one of the local businesses who turn away non-customers? the city should have at least started putting out some porta-potties years ago to temporarily deal with the situation.

 i don&#039;t think peeing in the bushes because there&#039;s nowhere else to go is some kind of a &#039;fuck this city i&#039;m gonna try and ruin all your lives&#039; kind of sentiment, it&#039;s more of an &#039;i really have to pee and i&#039;m out of options, this is really embarrassing i hope some creep isn&#039;t going to try and take my picture&#039; situation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uzbecca, you seem to be putting your fingers in your ears and ignoring the point she is making over and over; people, well, most people, aren&#8217;t peeing in the bushes because it seems like a jolly good game. they are doing it out of lack of alternatives, there need to be more bathrooms available.</p>
<p>this has been a problem for years, what do you do when you gotta go? wait in a 30 minute line? try going to one of the local businesses who turn away non-customers? the city should have at least started putting out some porta-potties years ago to temporarily deal with the situation.</p>
<p> i don&#8217;t think peeing in the bushes because there&#8217;s nowhere else to go is some kind of a &#8216;fuck this city i&#8217;m gonna try and ruin all your lives&#8217; kind of sentiment, it&#8217;s more of an &#8216;i really have to pee and i&#8217;m out of options, this is really embarrassing i hope some creep isn&#8217;t going to try and take my picture&#8217; situation.</p>
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		<title>By: Floyd Law</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2010/03/20/dolores-park-peeper/#comment-17168</link>
		<dc:creator>Floyd Law</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 04:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, let me get this straight. You stopped, mid-public-urination-by-the-traintracks to run up from the bushes, across the bridge and back down the path to take a picture of a guy taking your picture.

You went through this much effort, but couldn&#039;t haul your weak sauce ass to the 500 club to throw a whiz?

Dude, even on the busiest days the wait isn&#039;t 45 minutes. I hope your girlfriend squatted in poison ivy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, let me get this straight. You stopped, mid-public-urination-by-the-traintracks to run up from the bushes, across the bridge and back down the path to take a picture of a guy taking your picture.</p>
<p>You went through this much effort, but couldn&#8217;t haul your weak sauce ass to the 500 club to throw a whiz?</p>
<p>Dude, even on the busiest days the wait isn&#8217;t 45 minutes. I hope your girlfriend squatted in poison ivy.</p>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2010/03/20/dolores-park-peeper/#comment-17167</link>
		<dc:creator>dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2010 01:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[FYI - there is a reason some countries are cool with people drinking in their parks. I was in Prague for New Years Eve 4 years ago and everyone was smashed and everyone was tossing anything that exploded in every direction, YET, there was not one overbearing, intrusive, aggressive, obnoxious drunk. NOT ONE. It was very cool.

And there were no laws about fireworks use by civilians (that I could tell anyways). It was mayhem, but civil mayhem.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI &#8211; there is a reason some countries are cool with people drinking in their parks. I was in Prague for New Years Eve 4 years ago and everyone was smashed and everyone was tossing anything that exploded in every direction, YET, there was not one overbearing, intrusive, aggressive, obnoxious drunk. NOT ONE. It was very cool.</p>
<p>And there were no laws about fireworks use by civilians (that I could tell anyways). It was mayhem, but civil mayhem.</p>
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		<title>By: Uzbecca</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2010/03/20/dolores-park-peeper/#comment-17166</link>
		<dc:creator>Uzbecca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 23:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In practically every story about a nuisance in San Francisco, I run into this line of thought that says we should be able to do pretty much whatever we want to do in this city -- regardless of who objects or who is impacted -- or &quot;we&quot; might as well just move back home to the midwest.  What is it about the midwest that either sends us such interlopers, or gets the region scapegoated as their source?  SF isn&#039;t some summercamp for people to come and ignore basic decency and sanitation.  We aren&#039;t the nation&#039;s punk club bathroom.  We can&#039;t, on the one hand, say there&#039;s too much policing, but on the other hand rationalize behavior that no one should have to tolerate (like people using the park for a toilet).  And yeah, when it comes to relieving yourself whenever and wherever you want just because you feel like it and you don&#039;t want to make the effort to be responsible about it, and then leaving your mess for other people to deal with, that&#039;s about as infantile as it gets.  Children of all ages indeed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In practically every story about a nuisance in San Francisco, I run into this line of thought that says we should be able to do pretty much whatever we want to do in this city &#8212; regardless of who objects or who is impacted &#8212; or &#8220;we&#8221; might as well just move back home to the midwest.  What is it about the midwest that either sends us such interlopers, or gets the region scapegoated as their source?  SF isn&#8217;t some summercamp for people to come and ignore basic decency and sanitation.  We aren&#8217;t the nation&#8217;s punk club bathroom.  We can&#8217;t, on the one hand, say there&#8217;s too much policing, but on the other hand rationalize behavior that no one should have to tolerate (like people using the park for a toilet).  And yeah, when it comes to relieving yourself whenever and wherever you want just because you feel like it and you don&#8217;t want to make the effort to be responsible about it, and then leaving your mess for other people to deal with, that&#8217;s about as infantile as it gets.  Children of all ages indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: YUP!</title>
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		<dc:creator>YUP!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 23:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was going to say the same thing!  Peeing in public is gross and thats what you get.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was going to say the same thing!  Peeing in public is gross and thats what you get.</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 21:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Who says all midwesterns are hellbent on trashing every new land they encounter? I certainly did not. And I don&#039;t think you did either as you go on to say &quot;Every midwesterner I’ve ever met has been perfectly friendly and seemingly toilet-trained — aces in my book — &quot;. I also don&#039;t think pissing is confined to newcomers - everybody pees, it&#039;s sort of a fact of life. So if there is a 45 minute wait for a toilet or a bush readily available, I think people will choose the bush if they can&#039;t hold it for 45. I would hardly call that &quot;infantile antics&quot;. You gotta go you gotta go. And i&#039;ll be damned if there&#039;s a cafe who also doesn&#039;t have at least a 20 minute wait for a toilet. (And oh yeah, this is a problem whether you drink beer, water or juice). Which leads me to the next point I think you missed is that YES PEOPLE! go to the meetings! We do need upgraded bathrooms and solutions to the other kinks in the park. And if you use the park on a regular basis you should speak up about what it is that you want to see happen here. But until we get upgraded infrastructure in a underserviced park, people will have to make due. Maybe the city should consider a few porta-pottys in the meantime.

None of the comments so far say anything against a beer or a joint, true. However in the grand scheme of things, it is being said and it is also being enforced :

http://uptownalmanac.com/2010/03/they-hatin-ganja-treats-man-bust-followup

people have also been ticketed lately for drinking in the park. not being drunk, but simply drinking.

So I guess it&#039;s not just about the park renovation, but about the attitude towards the people who use the park. There has been evidence presented by others on this blog and elsewhere showing written documents issued by neighborhood groups regarding &quot;dampening the fun&quot; and &quot;policing&quot; the area [even the damn swings need to be policed after dark (the park is open until 10, so this should be a-ok) according to one group - seriously, are swings just for kids?].]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who says all midwesterns are hellbent on trashing every new land they encounter? I certainly did not. And I don&#8217;t think you did either as you go on to say &#8220;Every midwesterner I’ve ever met has been perfectly friendly and seemingly toilet-trained — aces in my book — &#8220;. I also don&#8217;t think pissing is confined to newcomers &#8211; everybody pees, it&#8217;s sort of a fact of life. So if there is a 45 minute wait for a toilet or a bush readily available, I think people will choose the bush if they can&#8217;t hold it for 45. I would hardly call that &#8220;infantile antics&#8221;. You gotta go you gotta go. And i&#8217;ll be damned if there&#8217;s a cafe who also doesn&#8217;t have at least a 20 minute wait for a toilet. (And oh yeah, this is a problem whether you drink beer, water or juice). Which leads me to the next point I think you missed is that YES PEOPLE! go to the meetings! We do need upgraded bathrooms and solutions to the other kinks in the park. And if you use the park on a regular basis you should speak up about what it is that you want to see happen here. But until we get upgraded infrastructure in a underserviced park, people will have to make due. Maybe the city should consider a few porta-pottys in the meantime.</p>
<p>None of the comments so far say anything against a beer or a joint, true. However in the grand scheme of things, it is being said and it is also being enforced :</p>
<p><a href="http://uptownalmanac.com/2010/03/they-hatin-ganja-treats-man-bust-followup" rel="nofollow">http://uptownalmanac.com/2010/03/they-hatin-ganja-treats-man-bust-followup</a></p>
<p>people have also been ticketed lately for drinking in the park. not being drunk, but simply drinking.</p>
<p>So I guess it&#8217;s not just about the park renovation, but about the attitude towards the people who use the park. There has been evidence presented by others on this blog and elsewhere showing written documents issued by neighborhood groups regarding &#8220;dampening the fun&#8221; and &#8220;policing&#8221; the area [even the damn swings need to be policed after dark (the park is open until 10, so this should be a-ok) according to one group - seriously, are swings just for kids?].</p>
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