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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2010/06/24/power-to-the-pedestrians/#comment-20470</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 01:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s an interesting story from BCN today:

   By Bay City News Service
   A pedestrian was briefly knocked unconscious when she was hit by a
bicyclist as she walked across the Golden Gate Bridge this afternoon,
according to the California Highway Patrol.
   The accident was reported at 12:34 p.m. on the eastern sidewalk at
mid-span.
   A 64-year-old San Francisco man was riding his bike north on the
sidewalk when he struck the pedestrian, a 54-year-old woman from Ireland, CHP
Officer Chris Rardin said.
   The woman&#039;s teeth were broken and she briefly lost consciousness,
Rardin said. When she came to, she complained of pain to her wrist.
   She was taken to St. Francis Memorial Hospital for treatment.
   The bicyclist was uninjured, Rardin said.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an interesting story from BCN today:</p>
<p>   By Bay City News Service<br />
   A pedestrian was briefly knocked unconscious when she was hit by a<br />
bicyclist as she walked across the Golden Gate Bridge this afternoon,<br />
according to the California Highway Patrol.<br />
   The accident was reported at 12:34 p.m. on the eastern sidewalk at<br />
mid-span.<br />
   A 64-year-old San Francisco man was riding his bike north on the<br />
sidewalk when he struck the pedestrian, a 54-year-old woman from Ireland, CHP<br />
Officer Chris Rardin said.<br />
   The woman&#8217;s teeth were broken and she briefly lost consciousness,<br />
Rardin said. When she came to, she complained of pain to her wrist.<br />
   She was taken to St. Francis Memorial Hospital for treatment.<br />
   The bicyclist was uninjured, Rardin said.</p>
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		<title>By: mitch in the richmond</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2010/06/24/power-to-the-pedestrians/#comment-20469</link>
		<dc:creator>mitch in the richmond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2010 06:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Only a douchebag like cranky geezer would say this BS about bikes trying to run down peds....there is never a time when any serious rider of ANY conveyance WANTS to hit a ped...it&#039;s a major hassle to do so. It&#039;s the same with skaters.....scared people flinch and jump out of the way of &quot;THOSE MANIACS!!!&quot; and actually cause the problem. If everyone just holds their line we can all flow together. Everyone fails from time to time (cars that turn right without signals), but generally speaking there is no need to protest anything...just stop being a pussy and flow.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only a douchebag like cranky geezer would say this BS about bikes trying to run down peds&#8230;.there is never a time when any serious rider of ANY conveyance WANTS to hit a ped&#8230;it&#8217;s a major hassle to do so. It&#8217;s the same with skaters&#8230;..scared people flinch and jump out of the way of &#8220;THOSE MANIACS!!!&#8221; and actually cause the problem. If everyone just holds their line we can all flow together. Everyone fails from time to time (cars that turn right without signals), but generally speaking there is no need to protest anything&#8230;just stop being a pussy and flow.</p>
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		<title>By: MrEricSir</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2010/06/24/power-to-the-pedestrians/#comment-20468</link>
		<dc:creator>MrEricSir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jun 2010 01:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The tranny march down Dolores last night looked an awful lot like a pedestrian Critical Mass.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The tranny march down Dolores last night looked an awful lot like a pedestrian Critical Mass.</p>
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		<title>By: plumpy</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2010/06/24/power-to-the-pedestrians/#comment-20467</link>
		<dc:creator>plumpy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jun 2010 00:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would imagine per trip, bicyclists get hit more often? But that&#039;s sort of meaningless because what is a &quot;trip&quot; as a pedestrian? If I walk from my car into the mall, is that a &quot;trip&quot;?

So yeah, who knows, maybe &quot;fatalities / time spent per mode&quot; is the most relevant? Yeah, I dunno. I guess it doesn&#039;t really matter. No matter who is right, Rod is still more annoying.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would imagine per trip, bicyclists get hit more often? But that&#8217;s sort of meaningless because what is a &#8220;trip&#8221; as a pedestrian? If I walk from my car into the mall, is that a &#8220;trip&#8221;?</p>
<p>So yeah, who knows, maybe &#8220;fatalities / time spent per mode&#8221; is the most relevant? Yeah, I dunno. I guess it doesn&#8217;t really matter. No matter who is right, Rod is still more annoying.</p>
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		<title>By: Neo Displacer</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2010/06/24/power-to-the-pedestrians/#comment-20466</link>
		<dc:creator>Neo Displacer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jun 2010 00:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[dude where&#039;s your sense of civil activism. Boy MLK really did a dick move when he marched in Selma (oh I know false equivalence, civil rights are way more important) Think of it this way, there is BART, there is AC transit, there is Caltrain yet every night at 5:00 Folsom is jammed with auto commuters.

I mean this is a real problem I think. I don&#039;t believe the city should subsidize the burbs by making our streets into alternate highways and I don&#039;t believe we should continue to support wars for oil.

Somewhere on the interwebs I saw 3 design alternates for a single lane Folsom. So these plans tend to get shelved until there is some popular movement, something you might call critical mass, occurs and the voila! The plan is dusted off and built]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dude where&#8217;s your sense of civil activism. Boy MLK really did a dick move when he marched in Selma (oh I know false equivalence, civil rights are way more important) Think of it this way, there is BART, there is AC transit, there is Caltrain yet every night at 5:00 Folsom is jammed with auto commuters.</p>
<p>I mean this is a real problem I think. I don&#8217;t believe the city should subsidize the burbs by making our streets into alternate highways and I don&#8217;t believe we should continue to support wars for oil.</p>
<p>Somewhere on the interwebs I saw 3 design alternates for a single lane Folsom. So these plans tend to get shelved until there is some popular movement, something you might call critical mass, occurs and the voila! The plan is dusted off and built</p>
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		<title>By: Cranky Old Mission Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2010/06/24/power-to-the-pedestrians/#comment-20465</link>
		<dc:creator>Cranky Old Mission Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 19:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kevin, if you haven&#039;t had any problem with bikers on the sidewalks, then you either don&#039;t walk on Mission sidewalks, or you choose to ignore the bikers on Mission sidewalks.

The rest of us constantly have to swerve, dodge and look behind us (without the benefit of rear-view mirrors!) to avoid being knocked-down by inconsiderate dingbats who don&#039;t care that riding bikes on sidewalks is actually illegal here.

And that says nothing about the issue of bikers who ride at night without a light on the front of their bike. Never try to cross a street and almost get run over by one of these idiots because, gosh, as long as THEY can see well enough to ride, who cares if no one can see THEM blasting down the street in the dark?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin, if you haven&#8217;t had any problem with bikers on the sidewalks, then you either don&#8217;t walk on Mission sidewalks, or you choose to ignore the bikers on Mission sidewalks.</p>
<p>The rest of us constantly have to swerve, dodge and look behind us (without the benefit of rear-view mirrors!) to avoid being knocked-down by inconsiderate dingbats who don&#8217;t care that riding bikes on sidewalks is actually illegal here.</p>
<p>And that says nothing about the issue of bikers who ride at night without a light on the front of their bike. Never try to cross a street and almost get run over by one of these idiots because, gosh, as long as THEY can see well enough to ride, who cares if no one can see THEM blasting down the street in the dark?</p>
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		<title>By: Cranky Old Mission Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2010/06/24/power-to-the-pedestrians/#comment-20464</link>
		<dc:creator>Cranky Old Mission Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 19:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually, Allan, I was thinking about proposing that we eat Irish babies to alleviate world hunger, but Jonathan Swift pretty well already covered that one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Allan, I was thinking about proposing that we eat Irish babies to alleviate world hunger, but Jonathan Swift pretty well already covered that one.</p>
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		<title>By: KH</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2010/06/24/power-to-the-pedestrians/#comment-20463</link>
		<dc:creator>KH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 19:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cars already take over all major thru-ways - (look at the Bay Bridge for an example) - all the time, all day long.  Taking these streets back for a bit of time with hundreds of us in solidarity is just a drop in the bucket of the use of all these government-funded paved roads.  I like the idea of the pedestrians taking over, but we should all give ourselves car-sized cardboard cut-outs so that we take up as much space as cars.  This was done by an Austrian politician on his walking commute to illustrate how much space cars take up in the small streets of his city...but I can&#039;t find any links to this rad dude.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cars already take over all major thru-ways &#8211; (look at the Bay Bridge for an example) &#8211; all the time, all day long.  Taking these streets back for a bit of time with hundreds of us in solidarity is just a drop in the bucket of the use of all these government-funded paved roads.  I like the idea of the pedestrians taking over, but we should all give ourselves car-sized cardboard cut-outs so that we take up as much space as cars.  This was done by an Austrian politician on his walking commute to illustrate how much space cars take up in the small streets of his city&#8230;but I can&#8217;t find any links to this rad dude.</p>
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		<title>By: Rod</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2010/06/24/power-to-the-pedestrians/#comment-20462</link>
		<dc:creator>Rod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 19:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[nice backpedaling (get it, pedaling, LOLOMG), reading pg 42, this is the only relevant quote  i see

&quot;Between 45,000 and 50,000 people die in U.S. roadway
accidents each year, including roughly 7,000 pedestrians and 1,000 bicyclists.
Based on the estimates of U.S. miles walked, bicycled, and driven in this report,
per-mile fatalities as well as injuries appear to be considerably higher for walking
and bicycling.&quot;

which isn&#039;t really relevant, maybe you can enlighten me, you seem to be much more sure about these stats than I am.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nice backpedaling (get it, pedaling, LOLOMG), reading pg 42, this is the only relevant quote  i see</p>
<p>&#8220;Between 45,000 and 50,000 people die in U.S. roadway<br />
accidents each year, including roughly 7,000 pedestrians and 1,000 bicyclists.<br />
Based on the estimates of U.S. miles walked, bicycled, and driven in this report,<br />
per-mile fatalities as well as injuries appear to be considerably higher for walking<br />
and bicycling.&#8221;</p>
<p>which isn&#8217;t really relevant, maybe you can enlighten me, you seem to be much more sure about these stats than I am.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Plausible</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2010/06/24/power-to-the-pedestrians/#comment-20461</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Plausible</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 18:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And what a gushing emotional outburst it was. You can measure fatalities per capita, per mile traveled, whatever, and the stats will change. But the fact remains, pedestrians get mowed down with greater overall frequency *and* per mile traveled, and pretty much any way else you want to measure it. Every source I&#039;ve ever come across, including those from both pedestrian and cyclist advocacy groups, confirms this. But don&#039;t let that get in the way of your persecution complex.

http://atfiles.org/files/pdf/BikePedBen.pdf (page 42)
(or do the math yourself from FARS)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And what a gushing emotional outburst it was. You can measure fatalities per capita, per mile traveled, whatever, and the stats will change. But the fact remains, pedestrians get mowed down with greater overall frequency *and* per mile traveled, and pretty much any way else you want to measure it. Every source I&#8217;ve ever come across, including those from both pedestrian and cyclist advocacy groups, confirms this. But don&#8217;t let that get in the way of your persecution complex.</p>
<p><a href="http://atfiles.org/files/pdf/BikePedBen.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://atfiles.org/files/pdf/BikePedBen.pdf</a> (page 42)<br />
(or do the math yourself from FARS)</p>
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		<title>By: john b.</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2010/06/24/power-to-the-pedestrians/#comment-20460</link>
		<dc:creator>john b.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 18:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Only in San Francisco could walking be seen as some sort of struggle in which people try and devise ways to &quot;protest&quot; or create some sort of pro-walking movement.  I&#039;m just hoping the jokes on me. I seriously prefer trolls to pussies at this point.  But pussy pussy will always be #1, just to be clear.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only in San Francisco could walking be seen as some sort of struggle in which people try and devise ways to &#8220;protest&#8221; or create some sort of pro-walking movement.  I&#8217;m just hoping the jokes on me. I seriously prefer trolls to pussies at this point.  But pussy pussy will always be #1, just to be clear.</p>
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		<title>By: mcas</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2010/06/24/power-to-the-pedestrians/#comment-20459</link>
		<dc:creator>mcas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 18:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rod:  Your Middle School teacher would be sad.  I said &#039;Per Capita&#039; meaning (total number of group) / (total number of injuries)...  Biking is about 6% of all trips in SF, walking is about 18%.

But, really zyzzyva&#039;s statistic of miles-traveled is really the key. If injury levels of walking and biking were equal.... and if a walker travels, say, 1 mile for every 4 miles traveled by bike; and there are 3 times as many people walking, that would make each mile biked 12 times safer than walking.

Now, the fact that walking has more injuries and fatalties per capita, that only amplifies this example, further-- it&#039;s much more dangerous to walk than ride.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rod:  Your Middle School teacher would be sad.  I said &#8216;Per Capita&#8217; meaning (total number of group) / (total number of injuries)&#8230;  Biking is about 6% of all trips in SF, walking is about 18%.</p>
<p>But, really zyzzyva&#8217;s statistic of miles-traveled is really the key. If injury levels of walking and biking were equal&#8230;. and if a walker travels, say, 1 mile for every 4 miles traveled by bike; and there are 3 times as many people walking, that would make each mile biked 12 times safer than walking.</p>
<p>Now, the fact that walking has more injuries and fatalties per capita, that only amplifies this example, further&#8211; it&#8217;s much more dangerous to walk than ride.</p>
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		<title>By: zyzzyva</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2010/06/24/power-to-the-pedestrians/#comment-20458</link>
		<dc:creator>zyzzyva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 16:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The golden statistic we&#039;re looking for here is the person-mile. That is, if you have 1000 bicyclists and 10,000 pedestrians, clearly two deaths vs 20 are the same. But if the average pedestrian walks a mile a day and the average cyclist rides 10 miles a day, you now have 10,000 person-miles for each group. You have a lot more chances to get injured or killed in 10 miles of road than in one.

The point is, *everyone* in San Francisco is a pedestrian at some point, even if only between front door and car. A far smaller number bike on a regular basis (somewhere around 5%), which means there&#039;s roughly 20 peds for every cyclist. But in terms of person-miles, that number is far closer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The golden statistic we&#8217;re looking for here is the person-mile. That is, if you have 1000 bicyclists and 10,000 pedestrians, clearly two deaths vs 20 are the same. But if the average pedestrian walks a mile a day and the average cyclist rides 10 miles a day, you now have 10,000 person-miles for each group. You have a lot more chances to get injured or killed in 10 miles of road than in one.</p>
<p>The point is, *everyone* in San Francisco is a pedestrian at some point, even if only between front door and car. A far smaller number bike on a regular basis (somewhere around 5%), which means there&#8217;s roughly 20 peds for every cyclist. But in terms of person-miles, that number is far closer.</p>
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		<title>By: Rod</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2010/06/24/power-to-the-pedestrians/#comment-20457</link>
		<dc:creator>Rod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 15:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[plumpy, don&#039;t let your logic get in the way of Dr. Plausible&#039;s emotions! obviously there are just as many cyclists as pedestrians in San Francisco.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>plumpy, don&#8217;t let your logic get in the way of Dr. Plausible&#8217;s emotions! obviously there are just as many cyclists as pedestrians in San Francisco.</p>
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		<title>By: Rod</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2010/06/24/power-to-the-pedestrians/#comment-20456</link>
		<dc:creator>Rod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jun 2010 15:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[that would only be true if you were under the assumption that there were just as many cyclists in SF as pedestrians, you would have to adjust those numbers based on how many people bike vs walk]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that would only be true if you were under the assumption that there were just as many cyclists in SF as pedestrians, you would have to adjust those numbers based on how many people bike vs walk</p>
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