Comments on: Reminder: 10 AM TODAY – Cesar Chavez Traffic Calming / Bike Lane SFMTA Hearing at City Hall

By: lietiosvad

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By: Herr Doktor Professor Deth Vegetable

Herr Doktor Professor Deth Vegetable — Sat, 20 Nov 2010 06:13:59 +0000

I remember you doing a mock-up of a Bart Station at 30th a while back. I was thinking it would actually be easier to put one in just a little bit further, where Mission and San Jose almost meet. There is already a BART escape stairwell/Ventilation hut thingie there, and the footprint of the shell station would be more or less PERFECT for a BART Entrance.

Just sayin’.

There’s an abandoned train tunnel under Potrero?! Do tell!

By: stiiv

stiiv — Sat, 20 Nov 2010 06:07:16 +0000

Damnit, I want to bike to BevMo without getting run over or hitting a homeless dude.

Yes, that’s right San Francisco, improve the route to my liquor store!

By: Burrito Justice

Burrito Justice — Sat, 20 Nov 2010 04:18:51 +0000

Think he’s getting confused with the old train tunnel under Potrero.

That being said, I’d kill for a BART tunnel under Bernal and a station at 29th/30th. (Or just the BART station intersecting with a Muni Bernal tunnel – with a Forest Hill type station – I’m not picky).

Oh, and Muni light rail from 30th down Mission and then down CC to the T-Third line, ideally intersecting with 22 St Caltrain. But I digress.

By: Herr Doktor Professor Deth Vegetable

Herr Doktor Professor Deth Vegetable — Sat, 20 Nov 2010 01:30:07 +0000

Nice! I will definitely look forward to it.

BTW, my housemate insists that there is an abandoned trolley tunnel underneath/through Bernal Hill. However, I think he is full of hooey. The only reference to a tunnel in the Bernal area is an aqueduct. Can you confirm?

By: Burrito Justice

Burrito Justice — Sat, 20 Nov 2010 01:20:55 +0000

It's on a lot of those maps. I suspect it's land the city set aside for public use - parks, etc. I'm pretty sure it's open on those 1860 surveyor maps too. Also, it's left field for the Recreation Grounds!

By: eric fischer

eric fischer — Sat, 20 Nov 2010 00:54:42 +0000

“City hall lot” between Treat and Harrison? Anyone know the story behind that?

By: Burrito Justice

Burrito Justice — Sat, 20 Nov 2010 00:30:17 +0000

HDPDV, oh man, you are going to love some of the articles I have in the work. Viva La Lengua!

By: Burrito Justice

Burrito Justice — Sat, 20 Nov 2010 00:25:19 +0000

Hey, quit stealing the material for my next article! (kidding)

That’s actually a second car barn. There was another one at the intersection of Mission and Valencia which I *think* was built first.

By: Herr Doktor Professor Deth Vegetable

Herr Doktor Professor Deth Vegetable — Fri, 19 Nov 2010 23:20:36 +0000

another: http://webbie1.sfpl.org/multimedia/sfphotos/AAB-4645.jpg

By: Herr Doktor Professor Deth Vegetable

Herr Doktor Professor Deth Vegetable — Fri, 19 Nov 2010 23:18:37 +0000

And here are the pictures with the tracks leading into what looks like a trolley barn to me:
http://webbie1.sfpl.org/multimedia/sfphotos/AAB-4632.jpg
http://webbie1.sfpl.org/multimedia/sfphotos/AAB-4648.jpg

With the future 3300 Club as a Bank, on the left.

By: Herr Doktor Professor Deth Vegetable

Herr Doktor Professor Deth Vegetable — Fri, 19 Nov 2010 23:16:01 +0000

Bowling Alley: http://webbie1.sfpl.org/multimedia/sfphotos/AAF-0767.jpg

By: Herr Doktor Professor Deth Vegetable

Herr Doktor Professor Deth Vegetable — Fri, 19 Nov 2010 23:10:23 +0000

I’d love to learn more about the block between 30th and 29th. In the SFPL photo archives it looks like MacFrugal’s was preceded by an AMAZING Bowling Alley, and before that was a trolley barn? I haven’t been to the library to look at the Sanborns or city directories, etc, though, so this is just what I am gathering from the photos on the SFPL site.

By: johnny0

johnny0 — Fri, 19 Nov 2010 20:55:25 +0000

That was the plan in the late 1860s, but I think Valencia shot straight through once the street cars were built. Tiffany Ave was named on street plans as early as the mid 1860s.

I bet the when they built car barn at Valencia and Tiffany, it forced Valencia to shoot to Mission. (Duncan didn’t get extended down from Guerrero until the turn of the century.)

(I’m working on a post over at Burrito Justice with the history of that block, hopefully before the end of the year.)

By: Herr Doktor Professor Deth Vegetable

Herr Doktor Professor Deth Vegetable — Fri, 19 Nov 2010 18:32:44 +0000

Wow! I didn’t realize that Valencia street originally did not intersect with Mission!