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	<title>Comments on: Growing up with gangs in the Mission</title>
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		<title>By: Nipsaaaay Rustle</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2011/05/06/growing-up-with-gangs-in-the-mission/#comment-32702</link>
		<dc:creator>Nipsaaaay Rustle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2011 01:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s good to get away from SF for a while too, to get some perspective. I can see how you might get bitter and insulated otherwise. I&#039;ve got 25 years here off and on and I&#039;m bailing soon (chorus of applause). I won&#039;t end up a cranky old lifer here. Let the kids coming up have their day.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s good to get away from SF for a while too, to get some perspective. I can see how you might get bitter and insulated otherwise. I&#8217;ve got 25 years here off and on and I&#8217;m bailing soon (chorus of applause). I won&#8217;t end up a cranky old lifer here. Let the kids coming up have their day.</p>
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		<title>By: pedro</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2011/05/06/growing-up-with-gangs-in-the-mission/#comment-32696</link>
		<dc:creator>pedro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2011 00:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If enough people who moved into the mission cared about the well being and quality of education for the youth in the Mission, then that&#039;s a step forward. With that, I&#039;m OK with the free movement of people, but with that an important factor is not disrupt or &quot;make room&quot; - &quot;gentrification&quot; is a complicated issue, and there well intentioned ideas that fall into a grey area of &quot;is this right?&quot;. That&#039;s what happens when the bottom strata are left to pick up the scraps of development. 

Personally, I feel like a society is best represented by it&#039;s least well off people. If we just took a little more time to apply that attitude towards the mission, then we all rise as a neighborhood.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If enough people who moved into the mission cared about the well being and quality of education for the youth in the Mission, then that&#8217;s a step forward. With that, I&#8217;m OK with the free movement of people, but with that an important factor is not disrupt or &#8220;make room&#8221; &#8211; &#8220;gentrification&#8221; is a complicated issue, and there well intentioned ideas that fall into a grey area of &#8220;is this right?&#8221;. That&#8217;s what happens when the bottom strata are left to pick up the scraps of development. </p>
<p>Personally, I feel like a society is best represented by it&#8217;s least well off people. If we just took a little more time to apply that attitude towards the mission, then we all rise as a neighborhood.</p>
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		<title>By: Cranky Old Mission Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2011/05/06/growing-up-with-gangs-in-the-mission/#comment-32623</link>
		<dc:creator>Cranky Old Mission Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 May 2011 19:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK, probably just kidding about that last bit. Love Paul&#039;s positions on personal liberty issues, though -- like there&#039;s any chance of him having his way, even if he was elected!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, probably just kidding about that last bit. Love Paul&#8217;s positions on personal liberty issues, though &#8212; like there&#8217;s any chance of him having his way, even if he was elected!</p>
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		<title>By: SCUM</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2011/05/06/growing-up-with-gangs-in-the-mission/#comment-32622</link>
		<dc:creator>SCUM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 May 2011 19:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We moved here in 1972 when I was 9 and lived by the Doggie Diner near the zoo before moving to 27th and California. I was a product of busing to integrate the school system and went to Anza elementary on Anza and Masonic behind the old Sears building. I have lived my adult life everywhere from Glen Park to Orizaba and Sargent(gun shots nightly)to my current place on 17th and South VanNess for the last 10 years. I have always loved this town to the point that I have San Francisco tattooed across my back and I still hang with people that I have known since I moved to The Richmond.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We moved here in 1972 when I was 9 and lived by the Doggie Diner near the zoo before moving to 27th and California. I was a product of busing to integrate the school system and went to Anza elementary on Anza and Masonic behind the old Sears building. I have lived my adult life everywhere from Glen Park to Orizaba and Sargent(gun shots nightly)to my current place on 17th and South VanNess for the last 10 years. I have always loved this town to the point that I have San Francisco tattooed across my back and I still hang with people that I have known since I moved to The Richmond.</p>
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		<title>By: Cranky Old Mission Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2011/05/06/growing-up-with-gangs-in-the-mission/#comment-32620</link>
		<dc:creator>Cranky Old Mission Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 May 2011 18:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK, maybe I took the &lt;em&gt;implications&lt;/em&gt; of her comments too far. Maybe she wasn&#039;t &lt;em&gt;really&lt;/em&gt; suggesting that I (and most of the people who currently live here) shouldn&#039;t have moved here. I can accept that.

But what she did, unquestionably, say was that those of us who moved here looking for something better than where we came from &lt;em&gt;ruined&lt;/em&gt; it for her and the people she identifies with. If you don&#039;t believe me, read it again:

&quot;[...]entitled transplants move in ready to soak up the unique culture of a working class, diverse neighborhood. This leads to rent increases, evictions, and inconvenient, forced migration of local low-income families to more affordable locales. In addition to how much it sucks for those whose homes are torn apart by forces beyond their control[…]&quot;

And then there&#039;s this:

&quot;Sad for those of us who hold dear the Mission we grew up in. What was once a strong community of tight-knit families, is now a superficial, elitist vomit-fest of the most extreme (and tacky) consumer interests (which for many of us have come to represent both ignorance and arrogance). I hope you all think of the community you helped destroy as you enjoy your bacon doughnut and/or your artisanal fair trade coffee.&quot;

Really? I&#039;m supposed to reflect on the community that I helped destroy by moving here, regardless of the probability that I moved here before Kristy was even born? Regardless, there&#039;s so much hateful caricature and bullshit in Kristy&#039;s comments that I&#039;m surprised that anyone would be surprised by my violent reaction to it. I don&#039;t care how much San Francisco history she has learned; she clearly has learned nothing about understanding people who do not share her bias.

PS: What kind of wingnut am I? The kind who voted for Obama in the last presidential election, and is considerably disappointed by his weakness on transparency and gay rights and Gitmo and other issues. Might have to take another look at Ron Fucking Paul, for heaven&#039;s sake!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, maybe I took the <em>implications</em> of her comments too far. Maybe she wasn&#8217;t <em>really</em> suggesting that I (and most of the people who currently live here) shouldn&#8217;t have moved here. I can accept that.</p>
<p>But what she did, unquestionably, say was that those of us who moved here looking for something better than where we came from <em>ruined</em> it for her and the people she identifies with. If you don&#8217;t believe me, read it again:</p>
<p>&#8220;[...]entitled transplants move in ready to soak up the unique culture of a working class, diverse neighborhood. This leads to rent increases, evictions, and inconvenient, forced migration of local low-income families to more affordable locales. In addition to how much it sucks for those whose homes are torn apart by forces beyond their control[…]&#8221;</p>
<p>And then there&#8217;s this:</p>
<p>&#8220;Sad for those of us who hold dear the Mission we grew up in. What was once a strong community of tight-knit families, is now a superficial, elitist vomit-fest of the most extreme (and tacky) consumer interests (which for many of us have come to represent both ignorance and arrogance). I hope you all think of the community you helped destroy as you enjoy your bacon doughnut and/or your artisanal fair trade coffee.&#8221;</p>
<p>Really? I&#8217;m supposed to reflect on the community that I helped destroy by moving here, regardless of the probability that I moved here before Kristy was even born? Regardless, there&#8217;s so much hateful caricature and bullshit in Kristy&#8217;s comments that I&#8217;m surprised that anyone would be surprised by my violent reaction to it. I don&#8217;t care how much San Francisco history she has learned; she clearly has learned nothing about understanding people who do not share her bias.</p>
<p>PS: What kind of wingnut am I? The kind who voted for Obama in the last presidential election, and is considerably disappointed by his weakness on transparency and gay rights and Gitmo and other issues. Might have to take another look at Ron Fucking Paul, for heaven&#8217;s sake!</p>
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		<title>By: Kristy</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2011/05/06/growing-up-with-gangs-in-the-mission/#comment-32606</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 May 2011 01:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[S.F.  I grew up going to public school in the Mission where I did learn about the history of the Mission, as well as the other neighborhoods in SF.  I went to school in the Richmond and PH too, where the same was true.  Because the whole melting-pot thing has historically been a very big reality for SF youth (though this may be changing), discourse on these topics has been and still is common in relation to education about culture, language, and tolerance.  I had an elderly history teacher who was born and raised in the mission and he was probably the most passionate SF quasi-historian I&#039;ve ever met.

So really elementary through high school consistently covered SF history, particularly past and present social and political climate.

I would guess this is true where you come from too.    

I&#039;ve had many conversations with people online on this topic (from yelp to sfgate, etc), and I notice that a natives&#039; knowledge of SF history is often questioned when the superficiality and hypocrisy of the current consumer-driven scene in the Mission is pointed out.  I have to laugh everytime.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>S.F.  I grew up going to public school in the Mission where I did learn about the history of the Mission, as well as the other neighborhoods in SF.  I went to school in the Richmond and PH too, where the same was true.  Because the whole melting-pot thing has historically been a very big reality for SF youth (though this may be changing), discourse on these topics has been and still is common in relation to education about culture, language, and tolerance.  I had an elderly history teacher who was born and raised in the mission and he was probably the most passionate SF quasi-historian I&#8217;ve ever met.</p>
<p>So really elementary through high school consistently covered SF history, particularly past and present social and political climate.</p>
<p>I would guess this is true where you come from too.    </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve had many conversations with people online on this topic (from yelp to sfgate, etc), and I notice that a natives&#8217; knowledge of SF history is often questioned when the superficiality and hypocrisy of the current consumer-driven scene in the Mission is pointed out.  I have to laugh everytime.</p>
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		<title>By: Happy Old Mission Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2011/05/06/growing-up-with-gangs-in-the-mission/#comment-32604</link>
		<dc:creator>Happy Old Mission Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 May 2011 01:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cranky, that&#039;s not what Kristy said at all. She stated her perspective on the affects of change in her neighborhood.

Why so personally hateful towards Kristy? What&#039;s your fucking problem, guy? 

And what is the New College comment supposed to mean?

What kind of fucking wingnut are you?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cranky, that&#8217;s not what Kristy said at all. She stated her perspective on the affects of change in her neighborhood.</p>
<p>Why so personally hateful towards Kristy? What&#8217;s your fucking problem, guy? </p>
<p>And what is the New College comment supposed to mean?</p>
<p>What kind of fucking wingnut are you?</p>
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		<title>By: pedro</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2011/05/06/growing-up-with-gangs-in-the-mission/#comment-32595</link>
		<dc:creator>pedro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2011 22:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[wow. you are really cranky.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow. you are really cranky.</p>
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		<title>By: SCUM</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2011/05/06/growing-up-with-gangs-in-the-mission/#comment-32589</link>
		<dc:creator>SCUM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2011 21:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Where did you come from Kristy?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where did you come from Kristy?</p>
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		<title>By: Cranky Old Mission Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2011/05/06/growing-up-with-gangs-in-the-mission/#comment-32588</link>
		<dc:creator>Cranky Old Mission Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2011 21:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I didn’t mean to suggest that outsiders shouldn’t move to San Francisco, or even the Mission&quot;

--too bad that that is what you did say.

After that, it just turns into more discredited New College of California propaganda. Too bad for you that no one has to obey your stupid red fascist dictates. We can live where we chose, and live as we chose. FUCK your &quot;socially conscious&quot; made-up rules.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I didn’t mean to suggest that outsiders shouldn’t move to San Francisco, or even the Mission&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8211;too bad that that is what you did say.</p>
<p>After that, it just turns into more discredited New College of California propaganda. Too bad for you that no one has to obey your stupid red fascist dictates. We can live where we chose, and live as we chose. FUCK your &#8220;socially conscious&#8221; made-up rules.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristy</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2011/05/06/growing-up-with-gangs-in-the-mission/#comment-32586</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2011 21:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It seems wildly apparent to me Pedro that (excluding the comment regarding O&#039;Cornell high school) none of these people really care about the state of public education in their neighborhood as it likely doesn&#039;t pertain to them in any personal way.

I didn&#039;t mean to suggest that outsiders shouldn&#039;t move to San Francisco, or even the Mission. I am simply suggesting that people should consider how where they move affects those around them. And if they don&#039;t, that&#039;s a perfectly fair choice, no matter how ignorant or entitled it makes them appear.  It&#039;s a similar concept to socially conscious tourism.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems wildly apparent to me Pedro that (excluding the comment regarding O&#8217;Cornell high school) none of these people really care about the state of public education in their neighborhood as it likely doesn&#8217;t pertain to them in any personal way.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t mean to suggest that outsiders shouldn&#8217;t move to San Francisco, or even the Mission. I am simply suggesting that people should consider how where they move affects those around them. And if they don&#8217;t, that&#8217;s a perfectly fair choice, no matter how ignorant or entitled it makes them appear.  It&#8217;s a similar concept to socially conscious tourism.</p>
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		<title>By: pedro</title>
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		<dc:creator>pedro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2011 20:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, I think it&#039;s okay to accept that the city of SF, historically, has been one of the worst  non-foreigner friendly cities in the states. There&#039;s a long history of local ordinances. Does this mean we should allow for the local communities -- who are part of the culture, to not have the same 20-1 teacher ratio as some of the wealthier schools around? These kids are brought into a cycle a violence. That&#039;s because they think that&#039;s all they&#039;ll amount to if don&#039;t have the resources, and opportunities as everyone else.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I think it&#8217;s okay to accept that the city of SF, historically, has been one of the worst  non-foreigner friendly cities in the states. There&#8217;s a long history of local ordinances. Does this mean we should allow for the local communities &#8212; who are part of the culture, to not have the same 20-1 teacher ratio as some of the wealthier schools around? These kids are brought into a cycle a violence. That&#8217;s because they think that&#8217;s all they&#8217;ll amount to if don&#8217;t have the resources, and opportunities as everyone else.</p>
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		<title>By: SCUM</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2011/05/06/growing-up-with-gangs-in-the-mission/#comment-32579</link>
		<dc:creator>SCUM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2011 20:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why don&#039;t you check out the REAL history of The Mission. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mission_District,_San_Francisco]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why don&#8217;t you check out the REAL history of The Mission. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mission_District,_San_Francisco" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mission_District,_San_Francisco</a></p>
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		<title>By: pedro</title>
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		<dc:creator>pedro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2011 20:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t really believe Kristy is saying that people should have the same jobs as their parents. She agrees with my points, with added commentary. With that, I also concur that it&#039;s important to support community groups like PICO/SFOP/ and Coleman Advocates who try raise people in these communities up. Clearly what we need is equitable education,  infrastructure, and protection for people to even begin to think that they HAVE a chance at getting a real job. I think that was the POINT of the film.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t really believe Kristy is saying that people should have the same jobs as their parents. She agrees with my points, with added commentary. With that, I also concur that it&#8217;s important to support community groups like PICO/SFOP/ and Coleman Advocates who try raise people in these communities up. Clearly what we need is equitable education,  infrastructure, and protection for people to even begin to think that they HAVE a chance at getting a real job. I think that was the POINT of the film.</p>
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		<title>By: Cranky Old Mission Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cranky Old Mission Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2011 19:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The reference is to a stinky distraction from the subject. In this case, the stink of the subject &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; the distraction.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reference is to a stinky distraction from the subject. In this case, the stink of the subject <em>is</em> the distraction.</p>
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