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	<title>Comments on: Stabbing and/or shooting leads to epic car wreck at 21st and Folsom</title>
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		<title>By: milson</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2011/09/19/stabbing-andor-shooting-leads-to-epic-car-wreck-at-21st-and-folsom/#comment-39988</link>
		<dc:creator>milson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Sep 2011 04:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oi, oi, operty is theft, yo. You won&#039;t live here anymore when you make that bank. Quit pontificating.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oi, oi, operty is theft, yo. You won&#8217;t live here anymore when you make that bank. Quit pontificating.</p>
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		<title>By: smug bunny</title>
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		<dc:creator>smug bunny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 17:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[strange, but this is an american thing.  we can&#039;t seem to get our heads out of our racist asses.  just back from north london, where i saw a much more diverse community, many more socio-economic backgrounds, ethnic groups, and religious affiliations co-existing much more peacefully in the same area. unfortunately, we&#039;ve been exporting our b.s. and you see there being more stress on the communities and the greed of the wealthy (austerity measures and higher unemployment due to our bank&#039;s mismanagement) making people more angry (thus, the recent riots).  i have to say, though, there is not the segregation there that you see here.  and it seems to work better.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>strange, but this is an american thing.  we can&#8217;t seem to get our heads out of our racist asses.  just back from north london, where i saw a much more diverse community, many more socio-economic backgrounds, ethnic groups, and religious affiliations co-existing much more peacefully in the same area. unfortunately, we&#8217;ve been exporting our b.s. and you see there being more stress on the communities and the greed of the wealthy (austerity measures and higher unemployment due to our bank&#8217;s mismanagement) making people more angry (thus, the recent riots).  i have to say, though, there is not the segregation there that you see here.  and it seems to work better.</p>
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		<title>By: Herr Doktor Professor Deth Vegetable</title>
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		<dc:creator>Herr Doktor Professor Deth Vegetable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 00:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, No, I agree with you.  I was just trying to point out that hispanic population in the Mission District is not a new, mid-20th c. phenomenon.  I didn&#039;t mean to suggest that that grants any particular ethnic group more &quot;rights&quot; to the area than any other.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, No, I agree with you.  I was just trying to point out that hispanic population in the Mission District is not a new, mid-20th c. phenomenon.  I didn&#8217;t mean to suggest that that grants any particular ethnic group more &#8220;rights&#8221; to the area than any other.</p>
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		<title>By: Not Annie Shaw</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2011/09/19/stabbing-andor-shooting-leads-to-epic-car-wreck-at-21st-and-folsom/#comment-39843</link>
		<dc:creator>Not Annie Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 22:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Herr, kinda-sorta, and yes, it was even Mexico&#039;s turf back in the day.

But I&#039;d say that a Spanish Catholic mission -- a shining example of European cultural imperialism over native populations in the Americas; more an outpost than a neighborhood -- doesn&#039;t have much to do with 1950s Mexican and later Central/South American immigrant populations.

This is everyone&#039;s neighborhood and nobody&#039;s neighborhood. Let&#039;s either get along and respect each other, or have an all out tribal battle for complete supremacy like our ancestors would&#039;ve done.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Herr, kinda-sorta, and yes, it was even Mexico&#8217;s turf back in the day.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;d say that a Spanish Catholic mission &#8212; a shining example of European cultural imperialism over native populations in the Americas; more an outpost than a neighborhood &#8212; doesn&#8217;t have much to do with 1950s Mexican and later Central/South American immigrant populations.</p>
<p>This is everyone&#8217;s neighborhood and nobody&#8217;s neighborhood. Let&#8217;s either get along and respect each other, or have an all out tribal battle for complete supremacy like our ancestors would&#8217;ve done.</p>
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		<title>By: Herr Doktor Professor Deth Vegetable</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2011/09/19/stabbing-andor-shooting-leads-to-epic-car-wreck-at-21st-and-folsom/#comment-39842</link>
		<dc:creator>Herr Doktor Professor Deth Vegetable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 21:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Louis reminds me of Delegate Nerd.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Louis reminds me of Delegate Nerd.</p>
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		<title>By: Herr Doktor Professor Deth Vegetable</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2011/09/19/stabbing-andor-shooting-leads-to-epic-car-wreck-at-21st-and-folsom/#comment-39841</link>
		<dc:creator>Herr Doktor Professor Deth Vegetable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 21:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not Annie:  But it was hispanic BEFORE that, as well.  It&#039;s the &quot;Mission&quot; in &quot;Mission District&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not Annie:  But it was hispanic BEFORE that, as well.  It&#8217;s the &#8220;Mission&#8221; in &#8220;Mission District&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Cranky Old Mission Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2011/09/19/stabbing-andor-shooting-leads-to-epic-car-wreck-at-21st-and-folsom/#comment-39840</link>
		<dc:creator>Cranky Old Mission Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 21:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree. Problems relating to meaning arise, unfortunately, when words like &quot;dominance&quot; and &quot;new&quot; are used without meaningful quantification. 

&quot;Dominance&quot; could refer to the &quot;naming rights&quot; established by a minority aristocracy (the Spanish), or it could refer to a myopic modern-day perception of The Mission as a &quot;Hispanic&quot; ghetto. 

&quot;New&quot; is a horrible minefield of a word, in the blogosphere. For some people, it could refer to the &#039;40s through the &#039;60s; for others, it could refer to the &#039;80s and &#039;90s -- as your link suggests. For the 20-somethings who are a large contingent of the readers of this blog, &quot;new&quot; means &quot;after 2000&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree. Problems relating to meaning arise, unfortunately, when words like &#8220;dominance&#8221; and &#8220;new&#8221; are used without meaningful quantification. </p>
<p>&#8220;Dominance&#8221; could refer to the &#8220;naming rights&#8221; established by a minority aristocracy (the Spanish), or it could refer to a myopic modern-day perception of The Mission as a &#8220;Hispanic&#8221; ghetto. </p>
<p>&#8220;New&#8221; is a horrible minefield of a word, in the blogosphere. For some people, it could refer to the &#8217;40s through the &#8217;60s; for others, it could refer to the &#8217;80s and &#8217;90s &#8212; as your link suggests. For the 20-somethings who are a large contingent of the readers of this blog, &#8220;new&#8221; means &#8220;after 2000&#8243;.</p>
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		<title>By: Not Annie Shaw</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2011/09/19/stabbing-andor-shooting-leads-to-epic-car-wreck-at-21st-and-folsom/#comment-39838</link>
		<dc:creator>Not Annie Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 20:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s correct. Prior to the mid-20th C. it was inhabited mostly by European immigrants (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mission_District,_San_Francisco#Ethnicity_trends) -- and native tribes before that.

Those European immigrants may have grumbled things about &quot;all these non-European immigrants, boo hiss,&quot; and that wouldn&#039;t have been very nice or forward-thinking of them.

Today when people grumble things about &quot;all these non-Hispanic transplants, boo hiss,&quot; it&#039;s maybe not very nice or forward-thinking. 

That&#039;s not to say that gentrification is awesome and unobjectionable. But it&#039;s worth reflecting on how we perceive ownership of various spaces and neighborhoods, and how we collectively deal with inevitable changes in communities over time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s correct. Prior to the mid-20th C. it was inhabited mostly by European immigrants (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mission_District,_San_Francisco#Ethnicity_trends" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mission_District,_San_Francisco#Ethnicity_trends</a>) &#8212; and native tribes before that.</p>
<p>Those European immigrants may have grumbled things about &#8220;all these non-European immigrants, boo hiss,&#8221; and that wouldn&#8217;t have been very nice or forward-thinking of them.</p>
<p>Today when people grumble things about &#8220;all these non-Hispanic transplants, boo hiss,&#8221; it&#8217;s maybe not very nice or forward-thinking. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s not to say that gentrification is awesome and unobjectionable. But it&#8217;s worth reflecting on how we perceive ownership of various spaces and neighborhoods, and how we collectively deal with inevitable changes in communities over time.</p>
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		<title>By: Cranky Old Mission Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2011/09/19/stabbing-andor-shooting-leads-to-epic-car-wreck-at-21st-and-folsom/#comment-39837</link>
		<dc:creator>Cranky Old Mission Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 20:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Melting-pots DO work; just ask America.

Oh, and by the way, learn to use a semi-colon where it is appropriate. (Bonus snark)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Melting-pots DO work; just ask America.</p>
<p>Oh, and by the way, learn to use a semi-colon where it is appropriate. (Bonus snark)</p>
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		<title>By: Herr Doktor Professor Deth Vegetable</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2011/09/19/stabbing-andor-shooting-leads-to-epic-car-wreck-at-21st-and-folsom/#comment-39834</link>
		<dc:creator>Herr Doktor Professor Deth Vegetable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 18:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, specifically I was referring to his deep naivete when it comes to the reasons for, and interactions between, different socio-economic (and socio-cultural) classes.  His suggestions are not merely naive and unrealistic, but also fairly offensive and, as far as I am concerned, deeply repulsive.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, specifically I was referring to his deep naivete when it comes to the reasons for, and interactions between, different socio-economic (and socio-cultural) classes.  His suggestions are not merely naive and unrealistic, but also fairly offensive and, as far as I am concerned, deeply repulsive.</p>
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		<title>By: Herr Doktor Professor Deth Vegetable</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2011/09/19/stabbing-andor-shooting-leads-to-epic-car-wreck-at-21st-and-folsom/#comment-39833</link>
		<dc:creator>Herr Doktor Professor Deth Vegetable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 18:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Huh.  Are you arguing that the hispanic dominance of the Mission district is a new phenomenon?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh.  Are you arguing that the hispanic dominance of the Mission district is a new phenomenon?</p>
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		<title>By: Annie Shaw</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2011/09/19/stabbing-andor-shooting-leads-to-epic-car-wreck-at-21st-and-folsom/#comment-39829</link>
		<dc:creator>Annie Shaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 17:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually, the mission was an Irish, Italian and German neighborhood before it was predominantly Mexican, before that it was where the 49ers minors would hang out.   

Anyway, this neighborhood is rapidly changing again.  I wonder if any of the violence is due to how fast this change is occurring.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, the mission was an Irish, Italian and German neighborhood before it was predominantly Mexican, before that it was where the 49ers minors would hang out.   </p>
<p>Anyway, this neighborhood is rapidly changing again.  I wonder if any of the violence is due to how fast this change is occurring.</p>
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		<title>By: reggie</title>
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		<dc:creator>reggie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2011 04:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What kind of fantasy is he trying peddle? Reality, maybe? Just because you have your progressive SF utopian blinders on doesn&#039;t mean we all do.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What kind of fantasy is he trying peddle? Reality, maybe? Just because you have your progressive SF utopian blinders on doesn&#8217;t mean we all do.</p>
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		<title>By: Herr Doktor Professor Deth Vegetable</title>
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		<dc:creator>Herr Doktor Professor Deth Vegetable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2011 23:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Possibly also full of shit, but, unlike you, at least I&#039;m not trying to peddle weird, neo-segregational socio-cultural fantasies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Possibly also full of shit, but, unlike you, at least I&#8217;m not trying to peddle weird, neo-segregational socio-cultural fantasies.</p>
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		<title>By: Louis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Louis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2011 23:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[and you are... ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and you are&#8230; ?</p>
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