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	<title>Comments on: Help the Mission Bowling Club become a reality</title>
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		<title>By: oldmanricky</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2011/12/08/help-the-mission-bowling-club-become-a-reality/#comment-48802</link>
		<dc:creator>oldmanricky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2012 23:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the words in the ear bit....What shame...In the last ten years I&#039;ve
seen some beautiful properties go under.  BLAME IT ON MANAGEMENT 
...Attitude toward the sport...RE: management not supporting game, as a
game,,more of a shareholder investment game...GOT TO GET THE MOST OUT OF THE EMPLOYEES  AND DONT PAY THEM ANYTHING (no bemefits). Their not satisfied with 15% profit, they want 35% Oh...YEAH dont fix or repair anything!
And for GOD sake dont do anthing creative....
Such is life in the 21st century.
 Take care....Rick]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the words in the ear bit&#8230;.What shame&#8230;In the last ten years I&#8217;ve<br />
seen some beautiful properties go under.  BLAME IT ON MANAGEMENT<br />
&#8230;Attitude toward the sport&#8230;RE: management not supporting game, as a<br />
game,,more of a shareholder investment game&#8230;GOT TO GET THE MOST OUT OF THE EMPLOYEES  AND DONT PAY THEM ANYTHING (no bemefits). Their not satisfied with 15% profit, they want 35% Oh&#8230;YEAH dont fix or repair anything!<br />
And for GOD sake dont do anthing creative&#8230;.<br />
Such is life in the 21st century.<br />
 Take care&#8230;.Rick</p>
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		<title>By: Cranky Old Mission Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2011/12/08/help-the-mission-bowling-club-become-a-reality/#comment-48772</link>
		<dc:creator>Cranky Old Mission Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2012 19:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A word in your ears -- Serra Bowl is closing up!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A word in your ears &#8212; Serra Bowl is closing up!</p>
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		<title>By: oldmanricky</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2011/12/08/help-the-mission-bowling-club-become-a-reality/#comment-48766</link>
		<dc:creator>oldmanricky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2012 18:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[oh...I am working on a project which will revive the bowling business..
If you can use some input email me..
Rick]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh&#8230;I am working on a project which will revive the bowling business..<br />
If you can use some input email me..<br />
Rick</p>
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		<title>By: oldmanricky</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2011/12/08/help-the-mission-bowling-club-become-a-reality/#comment-48760</link>
		<dc:creator>oldmanricky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Mar 2012 17:12:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[#1- good idea...
#2- To many ideas become unworkable (keep it simple) 
#3- You&#039;re climbing the hill in CALIFONIA (to many taxes and regulations)
#4-  Banks and investors want to make money..NOW! 
#5-  Investors will give you just enough money to CHOKE ON..(This in hopes
        that you will fail.)
#6-   Bowling must be refined....Too many failures due, in part, it needs
         people..people are to busy with family and working. People have to
        many options today...cells, tablets, tv, Xbox, etc
Anyway sorry for the NEG stuff...I am working on a project myself....
In CA...UGH..and I have 20 years of investing exoerience....Good Luck]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#1- good idea&#8230;<br />
#2- To many ideas become unworkable (keep it simple)<br />
#3- You&#8217;re climbing the hill in CALIFONIA (to many taxes and regulations)<br />
#4-  Banks and investors want to make money..NOW!<br />
#5-  Investors will give you just enough money to CHOKE ON..(This in hopes<br />
        that you will fail.)<br />
#6-   Bowling must be refined&#8230;.Too many failures due, in part, it needs<br />
         people..people are to busy with family and working. People have to<br />
        many options today&#8230;cells, tablets, tv, Xbox, etc<br />
Anyway sorry for the NEG stuff&#8230;I am working on a project myself&#8230;.<br />
In CA&#8230;UGH..and I have 20 years of investing exoerience&#8230;.Good Luck</p>
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		<title>By: Cranky Old Mission Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2011/12/08/help-the-mission-bowling-club-become-a-reality/#comment-44900</link>
		<dc:creator>Cranky Old Mission Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jan 2012 20:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, this is just me, too, but...

Generally, in the past, I&#039;ve been in favor of any restaurant that came along and wanted to do something new. Despite the fact that Mission Chinese keeps hours when I have to be at work elsewhere, and Commonwealth is way too expensive for my budget. I mean, interesting food is interesting, right?

But after reading your remarks about what kind of fly-by-night financing and moronic crap restaurant start-ups in The Mission require, I&#039;m ready to say, &quot;fuck all y&#039;all!&quot;

Home cooking is good!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, this is just me, too, but&#8230;</p>
<p>Generally, in the past, I&#8217;ve been in favor of any restaurant that came along and wanted to do something new. Despite the fact that Mission Chinese keeps hours when I have to be at work elsewhere, and Commonwealth is way too expensive for my budget. I mean, interesting food is interesting, right?</p>
<p>But after reading your remarks about what kind of fly-by-night financing and moronic crap restaurant start-ups in The Mission require, I&#8217;m ready to say, &#8220;fuck all y&#8217;all!&#8221;</p>
<p>Home cooking is good!</p>
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		<title>By: Anthony Myint</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony Myint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jan 2012 17:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Since there is a lively discussion, I&#039;d like to weigh in. This is just my opinion and doesn&#039;t reflect on the ownership of the bowling alley, though I will be working on the food program. 

I helped Commonwealth, get off the ground by raising $12,000 in funds via kickstarter. We gave the kickstarters $12,000 in gift certificates and then went on to raise $60,000 for various charities in a year and a half. Back in the summer of 2010, we had kind of maxed out all sources of funding and borrowing. I was doing construction/demolition/lighting/sound paneling for like 16 hours a day for two solid weeks before opening because we could no longer afford to pay professionals. 

As part of a remodel at Mission Chinese Food we used kickstarter to get $3000 or so for a dragon. As of today, we just dropped a check in the mail bringing the total raised for the SF Food Bank to $102,000. Back then we were not as prosperous and I was unwilling to pay $3000 for a dragon out of pocket, or to prioritize decor over restaurant equipment or the Food Bank. We turned to crowdsourcing. In the end, I think it really ties the room together and in an indirect way, aids our ability to make money--for charity or otherwise.

This bowling alley will donate a portion of food sales to local youth related programs as well as donating at cost bowling. I am not part of the ownership, but I agreed to work on it since I want to support that kind of community building. Of course the owners would like to have bike parking and a beautiful patio, but it&#039;s a lower priority than say, a bathroom, and it&#039;s a juggling act to justify with investors--taking out a loan or delaying repayment further, etc. 

It&#039;s not like a contribution funds someone&#039;s caviar brunch. It&#039;s two ladies pouring their savings into a project. They already spend all of their free time painting the interior, and someone&#039;s mom is already making the curtains and stuff. Obviously there are no hard feelings if you opt to not contribute, but it seems unproductive to harsh on their project. 

* * *

I think the Mission Mission should be a fernet and PBR burrito.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since there is a lively discussion, I&#8217;d like to weigh in. This is just my opinion and doesn&#8217;t reflect on the ownership of the bowling alley, though I will be working on the food program. </p>
<p>I helped Commonwealth, get off the ground by raising $12,000 in funds via kickstarter. We gave the kickstarters $12,000 in gift certificates and then went on to raise $60,000 for various charities in a year and a half. Back in the summer of 2010, we had kind of maxed out all sources of funding and borrowing. I was doing construction/demolition/lighting/sound paneling for like 16 hours a day for two solid weeks before opening because we could no longer afford to pay professionals. </p>
<p>As part of a remodel at Mission Chinese Food we used kickstarter to get $3000 or so for a dragon. As of today, we just dropped a check in the mail bringing the total raised for the SF Food Bank to $102,000. Back then we were not as prosperous and I was unwilling to pay $3000 for a dragon out of pocket, or to prioritize decor over restaurant equipment or the Food Bank. We turned to crowdsourcing. In the end, I think it really ties the room together and in an indirect way, aids our ability to make money&#8211;for charity or otherwise.</p>
<p>This bowling alley will donate a portion of food sales to local youth related programs as well as donating at cost bowling. I am not part of the ownership, but I agreed to work on it since I want to support that kind of community building. Of course the owners would like to have bike parking and a beautiful patio, but it&#8217;s a lower priority than say, a bathroom, and it&#8217;s a juggling act to justify with investors&#8211;taking out a loan or delaying repayment further, etc. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not like a contribution funds someone&#8217;s caviar brunch. It&#8217;s two ladies pouring their savings into a project. They already spend all of their free time painting the interior, and someone&#8217;s mom is already making the curtains and stuff. Obviously there are no hard feelings if you opt to not contribute, but it seems unproductive to harsh on their project. </p>
<p>* * *</p>
<p>I think the Mission Mission should be a fernet and PBR burrito.</p>
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		<title>By: Cranky Old Mission Guy</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2011/12/08/help-the-mission-bowling-club-become-a-reality/#comment-44819</link>
		<dc:creator>Cranky Old Mission Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2011 20:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;But, to paraphrase Oliver Wendell Holmes: I like paying taxes — With them I purchase civilization.&quot;

Sorry I didn&#039;t see this when you posted it; it&#039;s a sentiment that comes only with maturity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But, to paraphrase Oliver Wendell Holmes: I like paying taxes — With them I purchase civilization.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sorry I didn&#8217;t see this when you posted it; it&#8217;s a sentiment that comes only with maturity.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly MacLellan</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2011/12/08/help-the-mission-bowling-club-become-a-reality/#comment-44817</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelly MacLellan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2011 19:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How much total actually needs to be raised?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How much total actually needs to be raised?</p>
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		<title>By: Herr Doktor Professor Deth Vegetable</title>
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		<dc:creator>Herr Doktor Professor Deth Vegetable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 18:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Social Security, Medical care, Roads, Education, NASA, Environmental protection, General scientific research and development, Arts funding, Peace Corps, Providing millions of jobs etc...etc..freakin etc..

Do all of my taxes go towards paying for things I support?  FUCK NO.  And a political process exists for changing that (even if that process is obviously enormously weighted against average people. Hence the OWS movement).  

But, to paraphrase Oliver Wendell Holmes:  I like paying taxes -- With them I purchase civilization.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Social Security, Medical care, Roads, Education, NASA, Environmental protection, General scientific research and development, Arts funding, Peace Corps, Providing millions of jobs etc&#8230;etc..freakin etc..</p>
<p>Do all of my taxes go towards paying for things I support?  FUCK NO.  And a political process exists for changing that (even if that process is obviously enormously weighted against average people. Hence the OWS movement).  </p>
<p>But, to paraphrase Oliver Wendell Holmes:  I like paying taxes &#8212; With them I purchase civilization.</p>
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		<title>By: Duck E</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2011/12/08/help-the-mission-bowling-club-become-a-reality/#comment-43955</link>
		<dc:creator>Duck E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 14:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Banks, car companies, Soylondra etc..etc..freakin etc..

We GAVE all of them our money through taxes and had no say. What % of your tax contributions go to things you want?  What did you get out of all the flippin bailouts, and corporate &quot;bonuses&quot; &quot;Golden parachutes&quot;? 

A drink? A party?  A job?  Probably not.

Go bowling for dollars!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Banks, car companies, Soylondra etc..etc..freakin etc..</p>
<p>We GAVE all of them our money through taxes and had no say. What % of your tax contributions go to things you want?  What did you get out of all the flippin bailouts, and corporate &#8220;bonuses&#8221; &#8220;Golden parachutes&#8221;? </p>
<p>A drink? A party?  A job?  Probably not.</p>
<p>Go bowling for dollars!!!</p>
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		<title>By: andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2011 01:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh let&#039;s see how many suckers we can get to give us money. Worked for Commonwealth right?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh let&#8217;s see how many suckers we can get to give us money. Worked for Commonwealth right?</p>
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		<title>By: kiya</title>
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		<dc:creator>kiya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2011 03:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Welcome to the way &quot;new business&quot; works, especially in the Bay Area.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome to the way &#8220;new business&#8221; works, especially in the Bay Area.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2011 00:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agreed. Kickstarter is pretty cool for a lot of things but using it to raise capital to start a business, particularly a for-profit one, doesn&#039;t really feel right. I&#039;m not sure if Kiva does micro loans for domestic projects, but there&#039;s also stuff like The Lending Club that seems way more appropriate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed. Kickstarter is pretty cool for a lot of things but using it to raise capital to start a business, particularly a for-profit one, doesn&#8217;t really feel right. I&#8217;m not sure if Kiva does micro loans for domestic projects, but there&#8217;s also stuff like The Lending Club that seems way more appropriate.</p>
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		<title>By: truth</title>
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		<dc:creator>truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2011 23:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why not microfinance through your community instead of asking for handouts?  It&#039;s not impossible to do this and it avoids your straw man Medjool scenario.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why not microfinance through your community instead of asking for handouts?  It&#8217;s not impossible to do this and it avoids your straw man Medjool scenario.</p>
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		<title>By: Cranky Old Mission Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cranky Old Mission Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2011 21:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, that&#039;s what it would take to get any of my money. If you ask me to donate to a non-profit, that&#039;s one thing; if you ask me to invest in a for-profit, that&#039;s another thing -- but if you ask me to &lt;i&gt;donate&lt;/i&gt; to a &lt;i&gt;for-profit&lt;/i&gt;, that&#039;s &lt;i&gt;no&lt;/i&gt;-thing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, that&#8217;s what it would take to get any of my money. If you ask me to donate to a non-profit, that&#8217;s one thing; if you ask me to invest in a for-profit, that&#8217;s another thing &#8212; but if you ask me to <i>donate</i> to a <i>for-profit</i>, that&#8217;s <i>no</i>-thing.</p>
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