Comments on: Spock vs. Noisy Punk Rocker T-shirt now available at Lost Weekend

By: Kylem

Kylem — Mon, 11 Jun 2012 22:42:46 +0000

It bothers me that you don’t know the difference between evidence and an assertion. You feel you’re right, but you don’t actually have evidence.

By: moderniste

moderniste — Mon, 11 Jun 2012 22:11:19 +0000

It always makes me feel better about the future when I’m reminded that Starfleet Command and the Council of the United Federation of Planets is here in the City by the Bay.

By: MrEricSir

MrEricSir — Mon, 11 Jun 2012 18:08:03 +0000

“By picking that you’re basically proving my point.”

If by proving you mean providing evidence to the contrary, then yes.

By: corner soul

corner soul — Mon, 11 Jun 2012 08:31:03 +0000

Spock’s a poseur

By: KyleM

KyleM — Mon, 11 Jun 2012 05:48:08 +0000

Ha, Vic. Actually, now I don’t know what’s worse about the bus scene. The past prime punk or the implied vision of the guy who beat up a Gorn leafing through “Valley of the Dolls”.

By: Vic Wong

Vic Wong — Mon, 11 Jun 2012 05:16:07 +0000

Not profanity, KyleM. “Colorful language metaphors”. A double-dumbass to us all

By: KyleM

KyleM — Mon, 11 Jun 2012 05:09:10 +0000

And hip hop is often a very nihilistic genre. By picking that you’re basically proving my point.

This coupled with the very next part of the scene where Kirk complains about the amount of profanity in the contemporary literature really points to a cultural commentary.

By: KyleM

KyleM — Mon, 11 Jun 2012 05:00:34 +0000

They do, in a way. Most of the film is centered around complaining how backwards and nihilistic the 80′s are. The very plot centers on the fact that whales were wiped out without understanding the consequences.

By: DomPara

DomPara — Mon, 11 Jun 2012 00:57:17 +0000

That’s an amazing connection, and I wish I thought of it. I learned something about 80s industrial today!

By: MrEricSir

MrEricSir — Sun, 10 Jun 2012 23:53:00 +0000

I’m curious about the RoboCop punk connection you mentioned. You’re not referring to PTP, are you?

By: MrEricSir

MrEricSir — Sun, 10 Jun 2012 23:48:53 +0000

You could swap the punk guy out for any other cultural stereotype that might play loud music on the bus, and the scene would serve exactly the same purpose.

If the movie had come out a few years later it probably would have been hip hop instead of punk.

By: DomPara

DomPara — Sun, 10 Jun 2012 23:34:15 +0000

I’m conflicted. While I think you might be reading too much into an intentionally trite “punk-esque” song in a movie about whale-aliens and nuclear wessels, I know that mid 80s was the height of fascination with punk in film (Robocop, Terminator, etc) and it gives credence to your argument.

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/I_Hate_You

Looks like they were trying for an authentic feel, but the lyrics (nihilistic & apocalyptic they may be) don’t have special relevance to the film.

By: KyleM

KyleM — Sun, 10 Jun 2012 22:45:13 +0000

No. Listen to the lyrics. That song was written and performed for the movie. It’s a very bleak, nuclear war, we’re all going to die thing – the antithesis of Star Trek. In a way, its an allegory of the positive actuality of the future trumping the modern angst. If that’s not a smack directly at Jello “Chemical Warfare” Biafra style punk then I don’t know what is.

By: MrEricSir

MrEricSir — Sun, 10 Jun 2012 21:12:10 +0000

It’s more obnoxious Muni passenger hating than punk hating.

By: Scumtag Bagger

Scumtag Bagger — Sun, 10 Jun 2012 17:37:05 +0000

Can anyone read the tag on the window? Kid got mad fame.