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	<description>Saluting San Francisco&#039;s Mission District</description>
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		<title>By: Che Backpatch</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2013/12/29/say-goodbye-to-the-giant-seal-mural/#comment-97364</link>
		<dc:creator>Che Backpatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jan 2014 23:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fuck it up first.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fuck it up first.</p>
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		<title>By: Oyster Boy</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2013/12/29/say-goodbye-to-the-giant-seal-mural/#comment-97333</link>
		<dc:creator>Oyster Boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jan 2014 11:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[re: prior buildings in that space coming back down...  Maybe there&#039;s an anomalous gravitational force below.  Maybe a native American burial ground.  Only the seal knows.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: prior buildings in that space coming back down&#8230;  Maybe there&#8217;s an anomalous gravitational force below.  Maybe a native American burial ground.  Only the seal knows.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnnyL</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2013/12/29/say-goodbye-to-the-giant-seal-mural/#comment-97321</link>
		<dc:creator>JohnnyL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jan 2014 18:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Move on.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Move on.</p>
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		<title>By: Stu</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2013/12/29/say-goodbye-to-the-giant-seal-mural/#comment-97315</link>
		<dc:creator>Stu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jan 2014 00:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great Job!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Job!</p>
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		<title>By: Herr Doktor Professor Deth Vegetable</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2013/12/29/say-goodbye-to-the-giant-seal-mural/#comment-97300</link>
		<dc:creator>Herr Doktor Professor Deth Vegetable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Dec 2013 21:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As with most things, context is everything.  How about you post the message that followed that? And my response?  No?  Of course not, because that doesn&#039;t fit with your rhetorically bankrupt style of discourse, Grizzled. 

Let&#039;s summarize.  I said what you quoted.  Then someone else pointed out, rightly, that with modern seismic codes, the fundamental skeletons of these buildings are quite sturdy.  That&#039;s an excellent point, and let it never be said that I&#039;m not willing to admit it when I&#039;m wrong:

&quot;Ahh, I suppose you&#039;re right. I wasn&#039;t talking about the core skeleton of the building, so much as the interior and fittings. Which is to say, really thin drywall, poorly fitting vinyl windows, and fixtures that are essentially the cheapest on the market.

As you say, however, if the skeleton is sound, there&#039;s no reason that someone in the future couldn&#039;t strip the building down to bare bones and try again, as they&#039;re currently doing with 100 Van Ness.&quot;
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Really, I&#039;m not sure why I bother responding to your nonsense, but I guess things are a bit slow over the holidays.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As with most things, context is everything.  How about you post the message that followed that? And my response?  No?  Of course not, because that doesn&#8217;t fit with your rhetorically bankrupt style of discourse, Grizzled. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s summarize.  I said what you quoted.  Then someone else pointed out, rightly, that with modern seismic codes, the fundamental skeletons of these buildings are quite sturdy.  That&#8217;s an excellent point, and let it never be said that I&#8217;m not willing to admit it when I&#8217;m wrong:</p>
<p>&#8220;Ahh, I suppose you&#8217;re right. I wasn&#8217;t talking about the core skeleton of the building, so much as the interior and fittings. Which is to say, really thin drywall, poorly fitting vinyl windows, and fixtures that are essentially the cheapest on the market.</p>
<p>As you say, however, if the skeleton is sound, there&#8217;s no reason that someone in the future couldn&#8217;t strip the building down to bare bones and try again, as they&#8217;re currently doing with 100 Van Ness.&#8221;<br />
&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>Really, I&#8217;m not sure why I bother responding to your nonsense, but I guess things are a bit slow over the holidays.</p>
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		<title>By: troll</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2013/12/29/say-goodbye-to-the-giant-seal-mural/#comment-97298</link>
		<dc:creator>troll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Dec 2013 20:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually the quote you pull in&#039;t too crazy when discussing newer buildings that pop up amidst bubble periods. They&#039;re routinely rushed to completion in order to sell for as much as possible. 

So yeah, you lose again. Better luck next year.

I don&#039;t know what I find more strange. That you research/detail user comments on various blogs or that I just defended our fair Doktor (twice kinda).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually the quote you pull in&#8217;t too crazy when discussing newer buildings that pop up amidst bubble periods. They&#8217;re routinely rushed to completion in order to sell for as much as possible. </p>
<p>So yeah, you lose again. Better luck next year.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what I find more strange. That you research/detail user comments on various blogs or that I just defended our fair Doktor (twice kinda).</p>
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		<title>By: Grizzled Mission</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2013/12/29/say-goodbye-to-the-giant-seal-mural/#comment-97296</link>
		<dc:creator>Grizzled Mission</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Dec 2013 20:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s no reply link to your oddly angry post below, and a link to uptownalmanac apparently doesn&#039;t survive moderation here, but here&#039;s a previous post of yours:

&quot;Well, on the bright side, if you&#039;ve been any of these newly constructed buildings, the quality is abysmal. So, they&#039;ll need to be replaced in 20 or 30 years anyway. So... maybe they can do a nicer job then.&quot;

So, do forgive me for my wildly unreasonable belief that when you write &quot;outlive&quot; you mean &quot;outlive.&quot; You did then. Guess you have a more subtle understanding now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s no reply link to your oddly angry post below, and a link to uptownalmanac apparently doesn&#8217;t survive moderation here, but here&#8217;s a previous post of yours:</p>
<p>&#8220;Well, on the bright side, if you&#8217;ve been any of these newly constructed buildings, the quality is abysmal. So, they&#8217;ll need to be replaced in 20 or 30 years anyway. So&#8230; maybe they can do a nicer job then.&#8221;</p>
<p>So, do forgive me for my wildly unreasonable belief that when you write &#8220;outlive&#8221; you mean &#8220;outlive.&#8221; You did then. Guess you have a more subtle understanding now.</p>
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		<title>By: En-Chu Lao</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2013/12/29/say-goodbye-to-the-giant-seal-mural/#comment-97290</link>
		<dc:creator>En-Chu Lao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Dec 2013 05:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Future archeologists will uncover it and claim that it was the ancient Templo de la Foca.

Somebody say; Amen!

http://youtu.be/aBejyHI6qr0]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Future archeologists will uncover it and claim that it was the ancient Templo de la Foca.</p>
<p>Somebody say; Amen!</p>
<p><a href="http://youtu.be/aBejyHI6qr0" rel="nofollow">http://youtu.be/aBejyHI6qr0</a></p>
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		<title>By: Grizzled Mission</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2013/12/29/say-goodbye-to-the-giant-seal-mural/#comment-97284</link>
		<dc:creator>Grizzled Mission</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Dec 2013 00:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rats! There&#039;s no &quot;reply&quot; link to your oddly angry post below. Guess I&#039;ll have to do it here.

I can&#039;t think critically, it&#039;s true (one too many blows to the head, I&#039;m sure), but you don&#039;t seem to remember your own arguments:

http://uptownalmanac.com/2013/12/1050-valencia-condo-owners-be-required-not-bitch-about-theater-noise#comment-841135

Note the congruence with your present contention. Or don&#039;t! That&#039;s cool! Happy New Year!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rats! There&#8217;s no &#8220;reply&#8221; link to your oddly angry post below. Guess I&#8217;ll have to do it here.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t think critically, it&#8217;s true (one too many blows to the head, I&#8217;m sure), but you don&#8217;t seem to remember your own arguments:</p>
<p><a href="http://uptownalmanac.com/2013/12/1050-valencia-condo-owners-be-required-not-bitch-about-theater-noise#comment-841135" rel="nofollow">http://uptownalmanac.com/2013/12/1050-valencia-condo-owners-be-required-not-bitch-about-theater-noise#comment-841135</a></p>
<p>Note the congruence with your present contention. Or don&#8217;t! That&#8217;s cool! Happy New Year!</p>
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		<title>By: ProblemSolver</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2013/12/29/say-goodbye-to-the-giant-seal-mural/#comment-97283</link>
		<dc:creator>ProblemSolver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Dec 2013 00:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It will be forever... sealed away.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It will be forever&#8230; sealed away.</p>
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		<title>By: Herr Doktor Professor Deth Vegetable</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2013/12/29/say-goodbye-to-the-giant-seal-mural/#comment-97281</link>
		<dc:creator>Herr Doktor Professor Deth Vegetable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Dec 2013 23:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In case anyone is interested, this is a pretty common archaeological phenomenon:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/23/us/in-highland-park-mich-ghost-signs-of-a-brighter-era.html
http://www.arktimes.com/ArkansasBlog/archives/2013/08/27/ghost-dr-pepper-sign-revealed-in-building-demolition
http://stpete.patch.com/groups/business-news/p/demolition-of-jazz-club-reveals-ghost-signs
http://vanishingnewyork.blogspot.com/2013/05/ghost-sign-eagles-nest.html
http://www.chicagonow.com/another-look-chicago/2013/01/andersonville-demolition-reveals-circa-1907/#image/1

Etc.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In case anyone is interested, this is a pretty common archaeological phenomenon:<br />
<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/23/us/in-highland-park-mich-ghost-signs-of-a-brighter-era.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/23/us/in-highland-park-mich-ghost-signs-of-a-brighter-era.html</a><br />
<a href="http://www.arktimes.com/ArkansasBlog/archives/2013/08/27/ghost-dr-pepper-sign-revealed-in-building-demolition" rel="nofollow">http://www.arktimes.com/ArkansasBlog/archives/2013/08/27/ghost-dr-pepper-sign-revealed-in-building-demolition</a><br />
<a href="http://stpete.patch.com/groups/business-news/p/demolition-of-jazz-club-reveals-ghost-signs" rel="nofollow">http://stpete.patch.com/groups/business-news/p/demolition-of-jazz-club-reveals-ghost-signs</a><br />
<a href="http://vanishingnewyork.blogspot.com/2013/05/ghost-sign-eagles-nest.html" rel="nofollow">http://vanishingnewyork.blogspot.com/2013/05/ghost-sign-eagles-nest.html</a><br />
<a href="http://www.chicagonow.com/another-look-chicago/2013/01/andersonville-demolition-reveals-circa-1907/#image/1" rel="nofollow">http://www.chicagonow.com/another-look-chicago/2013/01/andersonville-demolition-reveals-circa-1907/#image/1</a></p>
<p>Etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Herr Doktor Professor Deth Vegetable</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2013/12/29/say-goodbye-to-the-giant-seal-mural/#comment-97280</link>
		<dc:creator>Herr Doktor Professor Deth Vegetable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Dec 2013 23:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What the hell are you talking about?  Sigh. 

It&#039;s already been established, repeatedly, that you are Bad At Critical Thinking And/Or Understanding The World Around You, but I&#039;ll lay this out for the benefit of anyone who may not realize quite how outstandingly full-of-shit you are:
 
My point was that the landmark that is the New Mission Theatre will almost certainly outlive the aforementioned giant-eyesore-of-bullshit being built next to it. Just as it has outlasted the last two buildings to occupy that space.  Not because the tower-of-ugly is &quot;made of papier mache&quot;, as you put it, but because it is something that matters and has some reason to continue to exist (especially in light of the restoration).  As opposed to just some random ugly-ass apartment building that could have been plucked out of any soulless development from San Jose to Miami. 

Soo.... Barring anything unforeseen, such as the New Mission burning to the ground, the wall bearing the seal mural will almost certainly be revealed again in the future.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What the hell are you talking about?  Sigh. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s already been established, repeatedly, that you are Bad At Critical Thinking And/Or Understanding The World Around You, but I&#8217;ll lay this out for the benefit of anyone who may not realize quite how outstandingly full-of-shit you are:</p>
<p>My point was that the landmark that is the New Mission Theatre will almost certainly outlive the aforementioned giant-eyesore-of-bullshit being built next to it. Just as it has outlasted the last two buildings to occupy that space.  Not because the tower-of-ugly is &#8220;made of papier mache&#8221;, as you put it, but because it is something that matters and has some reason to continue to exist (especially in light of the restoration).  As opposed to just some random ugly-ass apartment building that could have been plucked out of any soulless development from San Jose to Miami. </p>
<p>Soo&#8230;. Barring anything unforeseen, such as the New Mission burning to the ground, the wall bearing the seal mural will almost certainly be revealed again in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: troll</title>
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		<dc:creator>troll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Dec 2013 23:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dumbest extrapolation ever? Dumbest extrapolation ever.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dumbest extrapolation ever? Dumbest extrapolation ever.</p>
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		<title>By: Grizzled Mission</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grizzled Mission</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Dec 2013 22:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Um, this: &quot;the New Mission Theatre will almost certainly outlive the giant eyesore of bullshit going up next to it.&quot; Remember? That thing you wrote? No?

You seem to think the buildings you don&#039;t like are made of papier mache, and are physically doomed. They are not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, this: &#8220;the New Mission Theatre will almost certainly outlive the giant eyesore of bullshit going up next to it.&#8221; Remember? That thing you wrote? No?</p>
<p>You seem to think the buildings you don&#8217;t like are made of papier mache, and are physically doomed. They are not.</p>
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		<title>By: Herr Doktor Professor Deth Vegetable</title>
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		<dc:creator>Herr Doktor Professor Deth Vegetable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Dec 2013 20:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What are you talking about?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What are you talking about?</p>
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