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	<title>Comments on: Drama Talk &amp; Drinks: “It felt like a bad joke.”</title>
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		<title>By: drinksuknow</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2014/07/28/drama-talk-drinks-%e2%80%9cit-felt-like-a-bad-joke-%e2%80%9d/#comment-101735</link>
		<dc:creator>drinksuknow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2014 21:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[priceless :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>priceless <img src='http://www.missionmission.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Pacific Standard Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pacific Standard Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2014 00:36:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I feel like I should apologize for encouraging this massive troll on a single post with my tease-y little comment. Not my intention, nor do I endorse the opinions expressed by &quot;drinksuknow&quot;. 

Perhaps I should have written something more like, &#039;send these ladies to something you think they &lt;em&gt;might&lt;/em&gt; be interested in,&#039; because I have read most of these things since the series started, and the overall impression they&#039;ve given me is that, while the reviewers don&#039;t actually &lt;em&gt;hate&lt;/em&gt; everything they see, they seem confused by or dismissive of it often enough that I can&#039;t get a handle on how to evaluate their opinions. Of course, that could be selective memory, but that&#039;s all anyone has to go on -- we&#039;re not going to re-read all past reviews to see how the scales balance.

Maybe theater in SF is sub-par, but you don&#039;t have to review everything you see. &quot;Garbage in, garbage out,&quot; you know?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel like I should apologize for encouraging this massive troll on a single post with my tease-y little comment. Not my intention, nor do I endorse the opinions expressed by &#8220;drinksuknow&#8221;. </p>
<p>Perhaps I should have written something more like, &#8216;send these ladies to something you think they <em>might</em> be interested in,&#8217; because I have read most of these things since the series started, and the overall impression they&#8217;ve given me is that, while the reviewers don&#8217;t actually <em>hate</em> everything they see, they seem confused by or dismissive of it often enough that I can&#8217;t get a handle on how to evaluate their opinions. Of course, that could be selective memory, but that&#8217;s all anyone has to go on &#8212; we&#8217;re not going to re-read all past reviews to see how the scales balance.</p>
<p>Maybe theater in SF is sub-par, but you don&#8217;t have to review everything you see. &#8220;Garbage in, garbage out,&#8221; you know?</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2014 21:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Plus, Katie has been involved in theatre for years...both acting and directing...just saying...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Plus, Katie has been involved in theatre for years&#8230;both acting and directing&#8230;just saying&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2014/07/28/drama-talk-drinks-%e2%80%9cit-felt-like-a-bad-joke-%e2%80%9d/#comment-101689</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2014 21:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah dude, they both have theatre degrees, and in fact both currently work in the digital arts and know quite a bit about  video AND performance art. Check your facts, man. But please keep posting these fake conversations you&#039;re having with these girls about their work, and how they don&#039;t have answers for you...it&#039;s cute, and quite entertaining.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah dude, they both have theatre degrees, and in fact both currently work in the digital arts and know quite a bit about  video AND performance art. Check your facts, man. But please keep posting these fake conversations you&#8217;re having with these girls about their work, and how they don&#8217;t have answers for you&#8230;it&#8217;s cute, and quite entertaining.</p>
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		<title>By: drinksuknow</title>
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		<dc:creator>drinksuknow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2014 12:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Since you&#039;ve asked, here&#039;s a comment made about another review found on the internets (warning: it will not address the type of unbelievable, priceless insight the ladies bring from the toilet talk and bar hoping:)):

&quot;I really like how you were able to create such a descriptive parallel between the use of theatrical techniques (Munz speaking over voices and figures on the screen, for example) and the more philosophical dichotomy between memory and reality. Whenever I go to a play, the thing I am looking for the most is to be rattled and to walk away confused and overwhelmed by the philosophical message underlying each monologue. That&#039;s when I know that I&#039;ve really been positively touched by the piece of art. You did a really nice job of capturing that philosophical debate and of leaving me, as the reader, without having even seen the play, with the same internal confusion. You rattled me, in the most positive of ways. The question regarding our ability to recall memories in an accurate form is one that i have thought a lot about and the opportunity to dive deeper into its complexity by seeing &quot;Patterns&quot; is something I would look forward to.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since you&#8217;ve asked, here&#8217;s a comment made about another review found on the internets (warning: it will not address the type of unbelievable, priceless insight the ladies bring from the toilet talk and bar hoping:)):</p>
<p>&#8220;I really like how you were able to create such a descriptive parallel between the use of theatrical techniques (Munz speaking over voices and figures on the screen, for example) and the more philosophical dichotomy between memory and reality. Whenever I go to a play, the thing I am looking for the most is to be rattled and to walk away confused and overwhelmed by the philosophical message underlying each monologue. That&#8217;s when I know that I&#8217;ve really been positively touched by the piece of art. You did a really nice job of capturing that philosophical debate and of leaving me, as the reader, without having even seen the play, with the same internal confusion. You rattled me, in the most positive of ways. The question regarding our ability to recall memories in an accurate form is one that i have thought a lot about and the opportunity to dive deeper into its complexity by seeing &#8220;Patterns&#8221; is something I would look forward to.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ariel Dovas</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2014/07/28/drama-talk-drinks-%e2%80%9cit-felt-like-a-bad-joke-%e2%80%9d/#comment-101652</link>
		<dc:creator>Ariel Dovas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2014 16:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, that page has nothing to do with her theater reviews, so it obviously doesn&#039;t mention her theater degree. Did you want to give me your review of the show, or are you just hanging out here to complain about our reviewers?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, that page has nothing to do with her theater reviews, so it obviously doesn&#8217;t mention her theater degree. Did you want to give me your review of the show, or are you just hanging out here to complain about our reviewers?</p>
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		<title>By: drinksuknow</title>
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		<dc:creator>drinksuknow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2014 13:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[is this comment you wanted me to see as due diligence:
&quot;one says:	

 October 18, 2013 at 8:29 am	

I know, right? They did more research into what bars to go to after!&quot;



Sounds like the ladies have got a reputation :))

Actually, if you follow their links, it takes you to http://www.philanthrolab.com/about where the cited background is:

&quot;Brittany Janis is a Cleveland to Brooklyn to San Francisco transplant.

After spending some time in the realm of political fundraising she jumped sectors and began working for non-profits, finding new ways to make good things happen for the good people and causes she supports.

A Master of Philanthropy and Development, she recently received her MA from St. Mary’s University Philanthropy and Development program, Brittany is excited to explore ways to make meaningful change.

Brittany is currently empowering youth to transform their communities as Development Manager at BAYCAT located in the Dogpatch neighborhood of San Francisco.&quot;

No mention of any background/expertise in the Arts. None.
Coming straight from the source.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>is this comment you wanted me to see as due diligence:<br />
&#8220;one says:	</p>
<p> October 18, 2013 at 8:29 am	</p>
<p>I know, right? They did more research into what bars to go to after!&#8221;</p>
<p>Sounds like the ladies have got a reputation <img src='http://www.missionmission.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
<p>Actually, if you follow their links, it takes you to <a href="http://www.philanthrolab.com/about" rel="nofollow">http://www.philanthrolab.com/about</a> where the cited background is:</p>
<p>&#8220;Brittany Janis is a Cleveland to Brooklyn to San Francisco transplant.</p>
<p>After spending some time in the realm of political fundraising she jumped sectors and began working for non-profits, finding new ways to make good things happen for the good people and causes she supports.</p>
<p>A Master of Philanthropy and Development, she recently received her MA from St. Mary’s University Philanthropy and Development program, Brittany is excited to explore ways to make meaningful change.</p>
<p>Brittany is currently empowering youth to transform their communities as Development Manager at BAYCAT located in the Dogpatch neighborhood of San Francisco.&#8221;</p>
<p>No mention of any background/expertise in the Arts. None.<br />
Coming straight from the source.</p>
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		<title>By: Ariel Dovas</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2014/07/28/drama-talk-drinks-%e2%80%9cit-felt-like-a-bad-joke-%e2%80%9d/#comment-101636</link>
		<dc:creator>Ariel Dovas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2014 21:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually, due diligence &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.missionmission.org/2013/10/17/drama-talk-drinks-beautiful/#comment-95173&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;shows you the exact opposite&lt;/a&gt;. They both have theater degrees. You don&#039;t know them, and you&#039;ve never actually had the conversations you&#039;re pretending to have had. 

But clearly you&#039;re only interested in making baseless assumptions and anonymously accusing people of hate speech for disliking a show that you have some kind of emotional stake in. I&#039;ll go ahead and make my own assumption: you&#039;ve seen it and you think it&#039;s good. Instead of bullying our reviewers, would you like to send us your take? I&#039;ll publish it as a separate response. It seems risky to give you your own platform, considering the tone that you&#039;re comfortable taking here, but why not turn this dialogue around. Show us why we should believe you. Maybe we will. 

If I&#039;m wrong and you haven&#039;t seen it, go see it! It seems that at the very least this review should be able to work for you to do the opposite of what our reviewers say!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, due diligence <a href="http://www.missionmission.org/2013/10/17/drama-talk-drinks-beautiful/#comment-95173" rel="nofollow">shows you the exact opposite</a>. They both have theater degrees. You don&#8217;t know them, and you&#8217;ve never actually had the conversations you&#8217;re pretending to have had. </p>
<p>But clearly you&#8217;re only interested in making baseless assumptions and anonymously accusing people of hate speech for disliking a show that you have some kind of emotional stake in. I&#8217;ll go ahead and make my own assumption: you&#8217;ve seen it and you think it&#8217;s good. Instead of bullying our reviewers, would you like to send us your take? I&#8217;ll publish it as a separate response. It seems risky to give you your own platform, considering the tone that you&#8217;re comfortable taking here, but why not turn this dialogue around. Show us why we should believe you. Maybe we will. </p>
<p>If I&#8217;m wrong and you haven&#8217;t seen it, go see it! It seems that at the very least this review should be able to work for you to do the opposite of what our reviewers say!</p>
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		<title>By: drinksuknow</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2014/07/28/drama-talk-drinks-%e2%80%9cit-felt-like-a-bad-joke-%e2%80%9d/#comment-101631</link>
		<dc:creator>drinksuknow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2014 20:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[but the do like.. stuff.. clearly, they are in love with their drinks :))

&#039;liking&#039; stuff and &#039;knowing&#039; stuff should be nicely delineated don&#039;t you think.
people don&#039;t usually &#039;like&#039; the stuff that they cannot understand. this is the case with these ladies here.. they present themselves as &#039;reviewers&#039; of art, but a quick due diligence check shows they have no qualifications in this field. Zero, zilch, nada..
but they know a good bar when they see one  :))]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but the do like.. stuff.. clearly, they are in love with their drinks <img src='http://www.missionmission.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
<p>&#8216;liking&#8217; stuff and &#8216;knowing&#8217; stuff should be nicely delineated don&#8217;t you think.<br />
people don&#8217;t usually &#8216;like&#8217; the stuff that they cannot understand. this is the case with these ladies here.. they present themselves as &#8216;reviewers&#8217; of art, but a quick due diligence check shows they have no qualifications in this field. Zero, zilch, nada..<br />
but they know a good bar when they see one  <img src='http://www.missionmission.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
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		<title>By: drinksuknow</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2014/07/28/drama-talk-drinks-%e2%80%9cit-felt-like-a-bad-joke-%e2%80%9d/#comment-101630</link>
		<dc:creator>drinksuknow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2014 20:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[problem is, in order to review something/anything you have to have a clue :)) these ladies have no education, no experience and no desire to learn anything about modern art, modern performance art and the likes..ask them about &#039;video art&#039; - no clue. ask them about &#039;video installation&#039; - no idea. ask them about &#039;performance art&#039; - nada. but ask them about drinks and they put themselves out there as experts in finding the right bar..
it&#039;s like hey, why not start a bashing party, just because we can huh..
actually, what they do is nothing but &#039;hate speech&#039;--look it up if you don&#039;t believe me.
it&#039;s just that they are probably clueless when it comes to stamping on people&#039;s rights too..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>problem is, in order to review something/anything you have to have a clue <img src='http://www.missionmission.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> ) these ladies have no education, no experience and no desire to learn anything about modern art, modern performance art and the likes..ask them about &#8216;video art&#8217; &#8211; no clue. ask them about &#8216;video installation&#8217; &#8211; no idea. ask them about &#8216;performance art&#8217; &#8211; nada. but ask them about drinks and they put themselves out there as experts in finding the right bar..<br />
it&#8217;s like hey, why not start a bashing party, just because we can huh..<br />
actually, what they do is nothing but &#8216;hate speech&#8217;&#8211;look it up if you don&#8217;t believe me.<br />
it&#8217;s just that they are probably clueless when it comes to stamping on people&#8217;s rights too..</p>
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		<title>By: Ariel Dovas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ariel Dovas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2014 18:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, I would like them to like stuff, as would they. And they have liked some shows. I don&#039;t have time to pre-screen what they see.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I would like them to like stuff, as would they. And they have liked some shows. I don&#8217;t have time to pre-screen what they see.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2014 18:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Looks like someone needs a lesson in the concept of reviews...&quot;send these ladies to something you know they&#039;re going to like?&quot; ...REALLY??? That defeats the whole purpose of theatre review. If you are an actual follower of Drama Talk &amp; Drinks, you would know that Katie and Brittany do enjoy some of the shows they see. And let&#039;s be real...theatre in SF is sub-par....so most of their reviews are extremely fair and accurate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like someone needs a lesson in the concept of reviews&#8230;&#8221;send these ladies to something you know they&#8217;re going to like?&#8221; &#8230;REALLY??? That defeats the whole purpose of theatre review. If you are an actual follower of Drama Talk &amp; Drinks, you would know that Katie and Brittany do enjoy some of the shows they see. And let&#8217;s be real&#8230;theatre in SF is sub-par&#8230;.so most of their reviews are extremely fair and accurate.</p>
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		<title>By: drinksuknow</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2014/07/28/drama-talk-drinks-%e2%80%9cit-felt-like-a-bad-joke-%e2%80%9d/#comment-101617</link>
		<dc:creator>drinksuknow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2014 07:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Without a story&quot;..
wow.. what a discovery.. maybe next time you want to talk about something you should actually &#039;read&#039; (I mean if it&#039;s not too stressful for you) like the first line on the web site? that clearly says:
&quot;features a series of magical vignettes&quot;

trying to see something that wasn&#039;t gonna be there in the first place.. hmm.. 
sounds like you did enjoy the drinks though. stick to what u know best
:))]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Without a story&#8221;..<br />
wow.. what a discovery.. maybe next time you want to talk about something you should actually &#8216;read&#8217; (I mean if it&#8217;s not too stressful for you) like the first line on the web site? that clearly says:<br />
&#8220;features a series of magical vignettes&#8221;</p>
<p>trying to see something that wasn&#8217;t gonna be there in the first place.. hmm..<br />
sounds like you did enjoy the drinks though. stick to what u know best<br />
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		<title>By: drinksuknow</title>
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		<dc:creator>drinksuknow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2014 07:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[but they do like something.. drinks they get.. no problem there
:))]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but they do like something.. drinks they get.. no problem there<br />
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		<title>By: Pacific Standard Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pacific Standard Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2014 04:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Might be a good idea to send these ladies to something you &lt;em&gt;know&lt;/em&gt; they&#039;re going to like, because they&#039;re shaping up as the &quot;kov&quot; of theater on Mission Mission -- they hate everything. If you want to be a &quot;Mikey&quot;, you have to surprise everybody by liking something sometime.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Might be a good idea to send these ladies to something you <em>know</em> they&#8217;re going to like, because they&#8217;re shaping up as the &#8220;kov&#8221; of theater on Mission Mission &#8212; they hate everything. If you want to be a &#8220;Mikey&#8221;, you have to surprise everybody by liking something sometime.</p>
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