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	<title>Comments on: Anti-gentrification protest marches up Valencia and its brand-new condos</title>
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		<title>By: Chuck Manson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chuck Manson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2014 19:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s not fair! He might not have noticed you weren&#039;t a &quot;real&quot; woman until he felt his balls banging against yours! And even then, in the dark, he might have mistaken the tiny things for over-sized labia!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s not fair! He might not have noticed you weren&#8217;t a &#8220;real&#8221; woman until he felt his balls banging against yours! And even then, in the dark, he might have mistaken the tiny things for over-sized labia!</p>
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		<title>By: danzdv</title>
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		<dc:creator>danzdv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2014 22:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Get outta here w that racist stuff.  You sound crazy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Get outta here w that racist stuff.  You sound crazy.</p>
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		<title>By: SFrentier</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2014/08/23/anti-gentrification-protest-marches-up-valencia-and-its-brand-new-condos/#comment-102599</link>
		<dc:creator>SFrentier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2014 07:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Faggot]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Faggot</p>
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		<title>By: SFrentier</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2014/08/23/anti-gentrification-protest-marches-up-valencia-and-its-brand-new-condos/#comment-102565</link>
		<dc:creator>SFrentier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2014 23:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Like, move to west Oakland and stop whining about SF prices.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like, move to west Oakland and stop whining about SF prices.</p>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2014 20:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This whole controversy is surreal. It seems to consist entirely of whining, on all sides, about the sometimes unfortunate effects of prosperity. Nobody is providing real solutions (if there even are any), nobody is making reasonable proposals, and the article, the protests, and these comments are utterly bereft of substantive discourse. People can&#039;t even fully identify the problem consistently.

The Mission, and the greater Bay Area, are tremendously prosperous. Booming, even. There is no housing/rent scheme that is going to make for cheap apartments in the Mission. By definition, the desirable areas are going to cost more. It&#039;s unfortunate for people who can&#039;t afford it, but put this in context. In most of the country, their &quot;Mission Streets&quot; consist of boarded up shops, closed years ago because of Wal-Marts and lack of jobs. Would we prefer that? Rents are low there, after all. Is that better than slightly-out-of-control prosperity?

In any case, if you&#039;re going to protest, or get worked up over whatever the hell is going on, at least clearly identify the problem, and what realistic solution you propose to address it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This whole controversy is surreal. It seems to consist entirely of whining, on all sides, about the sometimes unfortunate effects of prosperity. Nobody is providing real solutions (if there even are any), nobody is making reasonable proposals, and the article, the protests, and these comments are utterly bereft of substantive discourse. People can&#8217;t even fully identify the problem consistently.</p>
<p>The Mission, and the greater Bay Area, are tremendously prosperous. Booming, even. There is no housing/rent scheme that is going to make for cheap apartments in the Mission. By definition, the desirable areas are going to cost more. It&#8217;s unfortunate for people who can&#8217;t afford it, but put this in context. In most of the country, their &#8220;Mission Streets&#8221; consist of boarded up shops, closed years ago because of Wal-Marts and lack of jobs. Would we prefer that? Rents are low there, after all. Is that better than slightly-out-of-control prosperity?</p>
<p>In any case, if you&#8217;re going to protest, or get worked up over whatever the hell is going on, at least clearly identify the problem, and what realistic solution you propose to address it.</p>
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		<title>By: Valenchia</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2014/08/23/anti-gentrification-protest-marches-up-valencia-and-its-brand-new-condos/#comment-102499</link>
		<dc:creator>Valenchia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2014 18:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why are landlords that provide you housing parasites?  Do you really expect people to provide you with basic necessities for free?  do you work for free?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are landlords that provide you housing parasites?  Do you really expect people to provide you with basic necessities for free?  do you work for free?</p>
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		<title>By: Valenchia</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2014/08/23/anti-gentrification-protest-marches-up-valencia-and-its-brand-new-condos/#comment-102498</link>
		<dc:creator>Valenchia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2014 18:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@JJ:  Landlords selling out won&#039;t solve anything.  The economics don&#039;t change.  A new landlord will act just like the old landlord.  With rent control it just doesn&#039;t make sense to do anything more than the minimum level of maintenance on occupied units. And, there is a tremendous incentive to try to move out long term tenants.  Those are the fact that all landlords deal with.  They may have gone into the business knowing those facts, but that doesn&#039;t change the facts.  So there is no reason for you to get all upset when those facts are explained to you.  And don&#039;t whine about landlord not being all nicey, nicey when those are the facts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@JJ:  Landlords selling out won&#8217;t solve anything.  The economics don&#8217;t change.  A new landlord will act just like the old landlord.  With rent control it just doesn&#8217;t make sense to do anything more than the minimum level of maintenance on occupied units. And, there is a tremendous incentive to try to move out long term tenants.  Those are the fact that all landlords deal with.  They may have gone into the business knowing those facts, but that doesn&#8217;t change the facts.  So there is no reason for you to get all upset when those facts are explained to you.  And don&#8217;t whine about landlord not being all nicey, nicey when those are the facts.</p>
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		<title>By: Valenchia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Valenchia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2014 18:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@two beears: Just because you repeat something ad nauseam (and without any factual support) doesn&#039;t make it true either.

OMM is right -- the effects we are seeing are entirely predictable by econ 101. Price controls always bring out effects like this.  That doesn&#039;t mean we have to repeal rent control or deregulate; it just means that we shouldn&#039;t be surprised by the effects of rent control.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@two beears: Just because you repeat something ad nauseam (and without any factual support) doesn&#8217;t make it true either.</p>
<p>OMM is right &#8212; the effects we are seeing are entirely predictable by econ 101. Price controls always bring out effects like this.  That doesn&#8217;t mean we have to repeal rent control or deregulate; it just means that we shouldn&#8217;t be surprised by the effects of rent control.</p>
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		<title>By: el pistilo</title>
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		<dc:creator>el pistilo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2014 07:31:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[you mean the smooth entrance to your rectum? yeah, it&#039;s good!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you mean the smooth entrance to your rectum? yeah, it&#8217;s good!</p>
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		<title>By: SFrentier</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2014/08/23/anti-gentrification-protest-marches-up-valencia-and-its-brand-new-condos/#comment-102494</link>
		<dc:creator>SFrentier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2014 06:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You like me, right?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You like me, right?</p>
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		<title>By: SFrentier</title>
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		<dc:creator>SFrentier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2014 06:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks asshole, but I don&#039;t have low rent scum tenants like you. Mine pay market rent :). So yeah, Cha Ching for me. And, I&#039;m damn happy with rent cuntrol, as it keeps my market rents up, up, and up!  Thanks supervisor Crapos, etc., for further restricting SF&#039;s housing supply.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks asshole, but I don&#8217;t have low rent scum tenants like you. Mine pay market rent <img src='http://www.missionmission.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> . So yeah, Cha Ching for me. And, I&#8217;m damn happy with rent cuntrol, as it keeps my market rents up, up, and up!  Thanks supervisor Crapos, etc., for further restricting SF&#8217;s housing supply.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2014 03:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As I recall, that was a parking lot.
Now we have more housing.
And the developer has probably given millions to a BMR trust fund.
A pertinent question might be &quot;what happened to the money?&quot; The protest might achieve more if it asked that question of Ed and other elected officials as forcefully as its hating on people who now live in the neighbourhood.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I recall, that was a parking lot.<br />
Now we have more housing.<br />
And the developer has probably given millions to a BMR trust fund.<br />
A pertinent question might be &#8220;what happened to the money?&#8221; The protest might achieve more if it asked that question of Ed and other elected officials as forcefully as its hating on people who now live in the neighbourhood.</p>
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		<title>By: Pacific Standard Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pacific Standard Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2014 02:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve said it before: if you want to see what Valencia Street will look like in 10 years, Google &quot;Belltown Seattle&quot;. If you don&#039;t want to live in a place like that, start looking elsewhere, because &lt;em&gt;there is nothing you can do about it&lt;/em&gt;. Aside from taking the advice of some wall-scribblers and trolls, and killing everybody you don&#039;t like, which will eventually land you in a cell with some low-income people, I guess.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve said it before: if you want to see what Valencia Street will look like in 10 years, Google &#8220;Belltown Seattle&#8221;. If you don&#8217;t want to live in a place like that, start looking elsewhere, because <em>there is nothing you can do about it</em>. Aside from taking the advice of some wall-scribblers and trolls, and killing everybody you don&#8217;t like, which will eventually land you in a cell with some low-income people, I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: Hubba Bubba</title>
		<link>http://www.missionmission.org/2014/08/23/anti-gentrification-protest-marches-up-valencia-and-its-brand-new-condos/#comment-102469</link>
		<dc:creator>Hubba Bubba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2014 21:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Where did you learn the word &quot;wronger&quot;? 

In some Turd World Shithole that you are trying to re-create here?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where did you learn the word &#8220;wronger&#8221;? </p>
<p>In some Turd World Shithole that you are trying to re-create here?</p>
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		<title>By: SW</title>
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		<dc:creator>SW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2014 19:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Most new buyers have no interest in remaining in the rental business. There&#039;s just too much demand for owner-occupied housing in SF.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most new buyers have no interest in remaining in the rental business. There&#8217;s just too much demand for owner-occupied housing in SF.</p>
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