Stabbing and/or shooting leads to epic car wreck at 21st and Folsom

“What happened!?” It’s quite a story. Listen to this audio interview with a neighbor who was on the scene shortly after the incident. And scroll down to see the pictures to which the interview refers:

Epic wreck at 21st and Folsom by Allan Hough

Folsom Street closed between 20th and 21st:

A wheel, still attached to part of an axle or something:

A car with a missing wheel, being examined by police:

Police officer telling a couple neighbors to go back inside or leave:

A minivan leaves the scene:

Neighbors spectate:

29 Responses to “Stabbing and/or shooting leads to epic car wreck at 21st and Folsom”

  1. livin on folsom says:

    was walking down 20th st. got to folsom and saw the little fancy car going slowly through a green light. all of a sudden a car comes flying down folsom, through the red light, at 90 mph. it totally smashes into the fancy car – sending its rear axle and tire flying through the air several hundred feet. the 90mph car skids all the way down folsom finally ending at 21st. a ucpd cop car is following close behind. the man jumped out of the car and ran on foot from the cops.
    the person who was hit and whose back end of the car has been smashed, was able to stand up immediately after the accident… so heres hoping his body was able to absorb most of the shock…

    the noise was definitely the loudest car crash i’ve ever heard. i’m surprised both men were able to leave their cars walking…

  2. Doug Diboll says:

    21st St. is the DMZ of the North & the South. Tell me something new, please. These folk will continue to tear up the community of the Mission if you let them.

  3. The guy driving the 90mph car had been shot in the stomach. After leaving his car he ran down 21st and then up Treat Ave where he ditched a semi-automatic pistol between two cars and kept running until a cop finally stopped him. Since he’d been shot, they called an ambulance. The cops are all gone now.

  4. CHUDSF says:

    A dozen-ish shots, handful of cop cars giving chase, and a block cordoned off for a few hours now at Valencia Gardens on Guerrero tonight, too. Not sure if anyone was injured/made dead.

    Busy night.

  5. mission watcher says:

    There were shots fired tonight between 14th and 15th and Guerrero around 7:30 tonight. Possible this guy was shot there and was running from the scene? Based on the timing, probably not, but maybe.

  6. Jason says:

    7:25, I saw this car speeding away from the guerrero st shooting…was in my room, window open (streetside), heard 3 shots coming from the Valencia Gardens guerrero street entrance..then a pause, then full on 8-10 more..this was proceeded by people screaming, guy running and this car, scene above, speeding away north on guerrero…it’s 10:30 and cops still have the scene blocked off and are posted up outside..just used the MissionMission images to confirm with the cops outside that this was indeed the car I saw. funny side note, the inspector’s first question to me was when my lease was up..she suggested moving.

    • mission watcher says:

      There were two shootings at Valencia Gardens around this time last year. The first (documented here: took place in the same spot as this recent one. I know that the cops have a lot on their hands and they can’t be everywhere at once, but it’s pretty infuriating that they suggest moving instead of actually doing their job and monitoring trouble spots like this one on Guerrero.

      • latemodel says:

        Exactly. The “it’s the projects, what do you expect?” attitude is just offensive. It’s not shared by all of the Mission Station officers, but man, does it piss me off when I hear it.

  7. Louis says:

    “They’re probably relatives of the people of the people that live there. And people don’t want their relatives arrested,”

    I am starting to think this is total crap. I am tired of (THOSE PEOPLE) pulling this shit constantly.

  8. crymorehipstertrendydouchebags says:

    guess what
    “those people” were there long before you and will be there long after you leave
    cant take the heat, get out the kitchen
    better yet, get out of sf

    welcome to real life

    • Louis says:

      Sorry bro, they are only here because the city sticks poor people in cool places in hopes of some rehabilitation effect or something. to be honest, I have never understood it. but I do know that when you put a bunch of poor people together, whether it is prison, public school, or the projects, gnarly shit goes down, bro.

      Disrupting the natural ebb and flow of gentrification and ghettoization is not a good thing. pompous government types always think that they know what is best for everyone, but the fact of the matter is that just like we have done to every ecosystem on the planet, we have molested our own social ecosystems to the point of complete disorder.

      if you think SF is real life, you are dreaming. this is the schizophrenic crossroads of a million fantasies all trying to coexist within 7 square miles. Melting pots don’t work, just ask France.

      • Herr Doktor Professor Deth Vegetable says:

        You’re full of shit.

        • Louis says:

          and you are… ?

          • Herr Doktor Professor Deth Vegetable says:

            Possibly also full of shit, but, unlike you, at least I’m not trying to peddle weird, neo-segregational socio-cultural fantasies.

          • reggie says:

            What kind of fantasy is he trying peddle? Reality, maybe? Just because you have your progressive SF utopian blinders on doesn’t mean we all do.

          • Herr Doktor Professor Deth Vegetable says:

            Well, specifically I was referring to his deep naivete when it comes to the reasons for, and interactions between, different socio-economic (and socio-cultural) classes. His suggestions are not merely naive and unrealistic, but also fairly offensive and, as far as I am concerned, deeply repulsive.

          • smug bunny says:

            strange, but this is an american thing. we can’t seem to get our heads out of our racist asses. just back from north london, where i saw a much more diverse community, many more socio-economic backgrounds, ethnic groups, and religious affiliations co-existing much more peacefully in the same area. unfortunately, we’ve been exporting our b.s. and you see there being more stress on the communities and the greed of the wealthy (austerity measures and higher unemployment due to our bank’s mismanagement) making people more angry (thus, the recent riots). i have to say, though, there is not the segregation there that you see here. and it seems to work better.

      • Melting-pots DO work; just ask America.

        Oh, and by the way, learn to use a semi-colon where it is appropriate. (Bonus snark)

    • Annie Shaw says:

      Actually, the mission was an Irish, Italian and German neighborhood before it was predominantly Mexican, before that it was where the 49ers minors would hang out.

      Anyway, this neighborhood is rapidly changing again. I wonder if any of the violence is due to how fast this change is occurring.

      • Herr Doktor Professor Deth Vegetable says:

        Huh. Are you arguing that the hispanic dominance of the Mission district is a new phenomenon?

        • Not Annie Shaw says:

          That’s correct. Prior to the mid-20th C. it was inhabited mostly by European immigrants (,_San_Francisco#Ethnicity_trends) — and native tribes before that.

          Those European immigrants may have grumbled things about “all these non-European immigrants, boo hiss,” and that wouldn’t have been very nice or forward-thinking of them.

          Today when people grumble things about “all these non-Hispanic transplants, boo hiss,” it’s maybe not very nice or forward-thinking.

          That’s not to say that gentrification is awesome and unobjectionable. But it’s worth reflecting on how we perceive ownership of various spaces and neighborhoods, and how we collectively deal with inevitable changes in communities over time.

          • I agree. Problems relating to meaning arise, unfortunately, when words like “dominance” and “new” are used without meaningful quantification.

            “Dominance” could refer to the “naming rights” established by a minority aristocracy (the Spanish), or it could refer to a myopic modern-day perception of The Mission as a “Hispanic” ghetto.

            “New” is a horrible minefield of a word, in the blogosphere. For some people, it could refer to the ’40s through the ’60s; for others, it could refer to the ’80s and ’90s — as your link suggests. For the 20-somethings who are a large contingent of the readers of this blog, “new” means “after 2000″.

          • Herr Doktor Professor Deth Vegetable says:

            Not Annie: But it was hispanic BEFORE that, as well. It’s the “Mission” in “Mission District”

          • Not Annie Shaw says:

            Herr, kinda-sorta, and yes, it was even Mexico’s turf back in the day.

            But I’d say that a Spanish Catholic mission — a shining example of European cultural imperialism over native populations in the Americas; more an outpost than a neighborhood — doesn’t have much to do with 1950s Mexican and later Central/South American immigrant populations.

            This is everyone’s neighborhood and nobody’s neighborhood. Let’s either get along and respect each other, or have an all out tribal battle for complete supremacy like our ancestors would’ve done.

          • Herr Doktor Professor Deth Vegetable says:

            No, No, I agree with you. I was just trying to point out that hispanic population in the Mission District is not a new, mid-20th c. phenomenon. I didn’t mean to suggest that that grants any particular ethnic group more “rights” to the area than any other.

  9. milson says:

    Oi, oi, operty is theft, yo. You won’t live here anymore when you make that bank. Quit pontificating.