I liked the artisan haircuts for all gag better.
[via Joe Huerta]
haterz. what’s wrong with having a real job?
nigga if you dont spit the dick out of your mouth right now….
Nothing. What’s wrong with buying a 300,000 one bedroom apartment? Oh yeah that’s right, it fucks up rent for everyone else.
ha, damn homeowners, they’re really fucking it up for all of us!
You’re an idiot.
Uh… about that — if nobody was buying houses at that price, you do realize they’d quit selling them for that much, right?
Yeah, that’s pretty basic economics of supply & demand. No demand for a good/service at a price? That price will be lowered.
The only thing that is going to affect rents or house prices in SF is either lots of people no longer wanting to live in SF or building a shitload more housing. The price people are paying for condos is an effect, not a cause. Perhaps instead of “economics fail” it’s “causality fail” but regardless paying $400K for a condo is not “fucking up rents for everyone else”. It’s just paying what shit costs. You might as well say “stop buying organic apples from Bi-rite, it’s making my celery from Safeway expensive”.
not really…it’s paying what someone has set as a target amount to maximize their investment. Developers (I work with several) try to get as much as people are willing to pay and they set the costs.
Get your stats right Joe.
The 36-unit building houses 1-bedroom units that start in the low-$400,000s
Oh and the condo owners/ property managers will pay for this one.
He doesn’t care if their high priced condo effects the rent
They only care about themselves and their equity
Community and ethics means nothing
The cost of housing is directly related to the lack of new construction of rental units over the past two years. It has nothing to do with someone buying a 300k condo. Research the housing and rental market in San Francisco please before you think you understand what you are talking about. You will probably be pleased to find out that more units are on the way which bring the potential of either decreased or leveled-off pricing.
Simon, answer: nothing. unless you don’t have one. in which case an individual has a choice – they can find a way to enjoy their own life or they can get angry and spend their cash on beer, flannel and spray paint.
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha, You funny!
I miss the 90s when you could tell the difference between the poor, artsy hipsters and the rich, career-minded yuppies. Now everyone has a beard (yes, myself included) regardless of their income/status…I guess I’ll have to wait for mother nature to deliver us from gluttony with a good ‘ol 8.0 shaker. Hummmmmmm-Baby!
Solly, Cholly, we all had beards back then, too — in fact, our dads had beards. Imagine a new fake past for yourself, please.
That is what i am talkin about Hazbeen!! Shake em up!
I’m guessing this person is also responsible for the anarchy symbols on storefronts all up and down valencia by 24th. So lovely to see this morning!
The hate and jealousy will pass. It always does, and our city slowly improves, gets great new housing, the bums and druggies are run out of town, and life gets better.
No sarcasm from me. Not a hint. Can’t wait to see more of this growth and change happen along Valencia.
Dont you know that as soon as you have “ran out” all of the “druggies & bums” you may as well be living in Lafayette. Isnt that what makes part of this awesome DIVERSE patchwork of a city that drew it to you? Or at least its bohemia reputation… You do know that that was built on nothing but drugs, and bums, and good times! People need to start remembering that these people that you want to “run out” do not just evaporate into thin air! Oh… I get it… just so long as they are not in YOUR town… Send them to another town… You do know that you have just officially hit the definition of NIMBY. Congratulations. …grrr.
It’s not sarcasm, he’s the same clueless wanker he always was.
No, I’m actually not. I’m a well educated, upper middle class gay man. I work very hard, like a lot of good San Franciscans. I own my own house in Noe Valley. No body gave me any breaks. Hard work can pay off. This city is improving slowly.
But when we start to accept the bums (homeless) and the street drug users as just a “normal” part of our society, is when we dumb down our standards of civility and accept crappy, dangerous streets.
Valencia has come a long ways. It’s a much safer, cleaner corridor than it was 10 years ago. A lot of hard working people have made it that way.
And new condos are just one small step to improving our city.
If only multi-millionaires can afford to live here, it’s not really an “improvement.” Cultural diversity is one of the best things about San Francisco, but that’s disappearing as people here are being priced-out.
So to you, anyone who’s not well educated and upper-middle class is a bum or druggie? Every new Audi represents one less panhandler? Maybe that’s how things look from your house in Noe, but there’s a vast middle ground we’re losing. I don’t need a $50 haircut or $200 jeans or valet parking. Those things don’t improve my life or my neighborhood. I am anti-blight but just as strongly anti-”luxury”.
It’s a special thing in this world when you can accuse someone of being clueless and then they immediately chime up and vociferously declaim their own cluelessness so adroitly. Cheers, Wizzer!
“No body (sic) gave me any breaks. Hard work can pay off.”
Have you been talking to Mitt?
You are a speculator.
There’s really not much difference in how safe Valencia is now versus ten years ago. The only difference is that there are yuppies, marina-ites, and retiree foodies walking up and down it on the regular now (visiting all the new businesses that target them). Valencia back then was simply *believed* to be sketchy and unsafe back then by those types of people… which goes to show that wizzer has no idea what he’s talking about.
‘bums and druggies’…love that over-arching generalization as it reminds me of when I was an arrogant conservative straight-edged 17 year old. Then I grew up and realized that things aren’t so simple. Some of the successful people I knew were ‘druggies’ and that some of the ‘bums’ I knew were actually up to some pretty impressive stuff.
Word up AttF! Well said and an important note to remember… NEVER judge a book by its cover too closely!
Great new housing? I doubt it. All these new fancy places are built so cheaply that they all have to be renovated after the first rain.
I have no problem with new housing in SF– we need it, but these things are so flimsy they’re not worth it. How’re they going to look in 50 years? That’s what the city will look like.
PS @wizzer: glad you got in when you could. Do you think you’d be able to buy your own place now? How about rent? Can you afford $1500 a month? Is that a good thing?
Please provide evidence of how these buildings are flimsy and cheap. Newer buildings currently going up are probably a lot more sturdy than most multi-unit buildings constructed from the 1950s to the 1970s.
Also, what do you mean by “fancy”? I’m really curious about this. San Francisco is the only place I’ve lived in the US where people use the word “fancy” a lot, usually to describe things derisively.
I don’t have a dog in this fight, but just wanted to second the point that many of these new condo developments (not necessarily these, which I haven’t been inside) are indeed “flimsy.” I’ve been to a lot of open houses with someone who is looking, and as somebody who owned a home (and did many of my own repairs) for a decade, I think I have a pretty good eye for cheaply-constructed details that will become a pain later. I’m guessing it’s because the the iffy real estate market has prompted developers to try and cut corners when they realized they may not be looking at as large a profit as they expected when they bought the land?
I manage rehab construction projects for a living and it is pretty common knowledge that a lot of the new stuff just isn’t built that well (as an example, my 100 year old windows are in perfect condition, the windows I installed last year came with a repair kit because they break so often). Another industry secret is that the cost per unit to build high-rise buildings is more than lower buildings (due to fire codes, additional engineering, etc). So, high rise units tend to be more expensive simply for the fact that they have to charge more to recoup their investment and it really has nothing to do with the actual quality.
Attf is right. Have you been in one of these new condos? Because I have. Paper thin walls. Cheap doors and vinyl windows that are already warping and ill-fitting. Linoleum separating from surfaces already, etc. They’re craptacular.
I agree. Describing new condos as flimsy and cheap is just more derision without real knowledge.
These new buildings are extremely energy efficient, they use green products, they are built to current structural and seismic standards, they use high quality appliances and fixtures and lights. Try comparing them in ANY level to a 50′s to 70′s building.
And yes, “fancy” is an overused word to describe something one cannot afford but wishes one could.
50s and 70s were bad years for buildings…agreed. However, building code should not be mistaken for quality control. Codes are based on what is the bare minimum for acceptable standards, i.e. “this is the least we will accept before there is a problem”. The high quality fixtures, lights, etc are the shiny things you put on top to attract buyers and appease residents. I often have to explain to clients that often the most expensive ‘fancy’ option is not the best nor most durable. I am a fan of a lot of green technology, but would also venture that a lot of these will go the way of the technologies of the 50s and 70s (anyone remember masonite siding?). Also, a lot of green technology requires very regular and diligent maintenance, which isn’t always a guarantee. For instance, how well will that hospital grade air purifier work if the filter hasn’t been changed in 12 months? I find misuses of these systems in buildings every day. At that point, I’d rather rely on the old doublepane/lightwell ventilation technology.
sorry…I meant to say ’50s to 70s’.
Also, here is the stated purpose of the SF Building Code: “101A.2 Purpose. The purpose of this code is to establish the MINIMUM requirements to safeguard the public health, safety and general welfare through structural strength, means of egress facilities, stability, access to persons with disabilities, sanitation, adequate lighting and ventilation and energy conservation, and safety to life and property from fire and other hazards attributed to the built environment; to regulate and control the demolition of all buildings and structures, and the quarrying, grading, excavation, and filling of land; and to provide safety to fire fighters and emergency responders during emergency operations.”
Yep, our 108 year old Edwardian was built to last and has another century in it with minimal maintenance. Just look at the tolerances of this new crap streetside, adhesives oozing out of joints, members with a 1/4″ tolerance, purely craptacular. These 60-70′ structures are just under the height where the extra costs kick in, 2 story concrete pedestal with four of stick.
LOL@new buildings being of better construction
Wizzer is a Bums name
Sure your not a spy
Yuppie PEACE of shit.
I know it isn’t proper grammar and spelling
Because this IS SARCASM
I’d live there. Nah, just kidding. I prefer to live with 6 others in a rundown tenement building. Makes me feel like Allen Ginsberg or something.
affordable housing = flophouse, no corporate job = unemployed bohemian poser…………seems like something is missing from your worldview
That’s not an accurate assessment.
Holy hipster, Batman!
My God, these faux urban culture wars have become so predictable.
Cultural diversity is a very important part of our city. I agree. But what exactly does that mean?
If it means putting up with the homeless, the doorway pissers, the drug users and pushers, then that’s not the cultural diversity we should embrace.
Yes, not everyone can afford the Valencia corridor anymore. That’s reality. But what’s stopping the next wave to move forward and improve the Outer Mission, The Portola District and Hunter’s Point?
Here’s what’s stopping them: the hipsters, both well to do and struggling are afraid to leave their pack of security in numbers. They are afraid to venture out. They are afraid to leave Bi-rite.
Then create the next “Valencia”. Make it awesome, clean, safe and better. Keep growing. Keep achieving, keep changing.
Cause if ya don’t you’ll be left behind.
The Noe Valley homeowner is dispencing advice about being afraid to venture out? That’s rich.
+1 Wizze, I am with you on this one. I don’t understand why people are so anti-improvement. I mean… can you imagine this statement: “Bring back the crime rates, drug addicts, homeless, etc… it makes our city better and more diverse.” REALLY??
Thanks much Lehla: Yea, a lot of them don’t get it, that change and growth is good for the city. But many just want things to stay the same, including the crime, the drugs, the homeless, the door pissers.
To them, it’s “cool” part of the hard urban, hip (yes, hipster) environment.
Like I said in my previous posts, they are afraid to make other neighborhoods better; they are afraid to leave the safety of hipster/lazy numbers.
Would they rather have those empty lots on Valencia stay chained up, trash strewn slabs of concrete?
High prices and ugly condos have absolutely ZERO to do with the homeless issue. How is it even possible for someone to not understand this? Are you just trolling, or what?
Nobody wants the crime and the drugs to stay. The problem is the displacement of the lower and middle classes who, believe it or not, are not all hooked on drugs and out in the streets robbing people. When the neighborhood loses these people it loses its character, diversity and the things that made it a good neighborhood in the first place.
Your view as stated here is radical. If people oppose the construction of luxury condos then that means they want a hood full of empty lots? That’s bullshit.
Then what exactly do they want? Quite frankly a lot of people who oppose any new construction in the Mission or other urban neighborhoods are simply opposed to ANY change. They would, in fact, rather that empty lot (or former gas station) stay empty for decades. Or they carp about the property owner should just “give” it away to the public and make it a park. What? another park for drug users?
They resent any new construction, because some (not all) cannot afford to buy. They are deeply resentful and angry.
I’m sorry, but there are no given “rights” to home ownership, OR living in an improving neighborhood. I mean no harm or disrespect to “lower and middle classes”. San Francisco is expensive. Always will be. Desirability brings demand. Demand brings higher costs.
Same logic applies to great neighborhoods in NYC, Chicago, Seattle, Boston, etc.
This is not about the crime, but about the people who are forced to commit crime due to displacement and lack of opportunity in a city that has left them behind in it’s wake. We need some old-fashioned activism to bring awareness to the aloof newbies who do not understand the damage they are actually causing.
“I mean no harm or disrespect to “lower and middle classes”. San Francisco is expensive. Always will be. Desirability brings demand. Demand brings higher costs.”
This is true and this is exactly why the neighborhood is not improving but becoming another boring, homogenous area of the city.
And new parks shouldn’t be made because they attract drug users? That’s some pretty twisted logic.
What? another park for drug users?
Guys, this “wizzer” fellow is obviously trolling at this point. Time to ignore him.
@eric: hyperbole? a bit. trolling? i think you’re a little too quick on that trigger, kemosabe.
Dude, just because he’s a successful troll doesn’t mean he’s not a troll. He’s baiting people with the same absurdities over and over.
Wizzer owns multiple properties including a rental building on 15th. He is a speculator who has multiple dogs in this fight. The higher prices rise the richer he becomes when it comes time to rent the next unit and when he eventually cashes out.
Sorry, not this wizzer. I own just one house, that’s it.
What caused you to make up this silly lie?
Wizzer… leave the outter mission alone! You ARE what sucks about this new influx of well-to-do’ers! YOU are really starting to piss me off which is what helps fuel this divide. I wish you would just stop. You are really making me yearn for days of yesteryear where we ALL lived in this city together! You do know that you have drug users and homeless in EVERY big city right? You should have ventured farther south….
Hi – I’m from the Noe Valley in 15 years.
You’re now a despised freak weirdo who all the Rich Global Straight Couples pity . They want you out of their neighborhood.
Not sure who you’re talking to, or what you’re trying to say.
But seriously, “The” Noe Valley.
Is that like “the 101″, or “the bart”?
I bet the “anti gentrification” crowd, have no problem going to Four Barrel coffee every morning.
I walked into Bi Rite once, does that count?
Four Barrel adds to the community like a luxury condo never will. Also, their drip is only $2.00 and is delicious.
Man all the pro-(condo? gentrification?) comments are really, really gross.
I’m no fan of the wannabe anarchist kids, the spoiled white tagger contingent and wherever they intersect but face it:
this has always been lower to working class neighborhood, and despite the trauma of the first boom it had managed to hold on.
Yes, neighborhoods change. Shit happens. Money comes in eventually following the broke artists and musicians because the ‘cool’ kids with money want to be closer to where the art, music and culture is happening then the rest of their income bracket trickles in. Gentrification follows the same trajectory it always has.
What makes San Francisco problematic is that there isn’t any room to expand, there are no neighborhoods for the poor, working class or, soon, the squarely middle class to go. Most other major cities have enough space for the outpriced to migrate to, SF doesn’t.
The majority who work in SF don’t have the luxury of working at a startup or at a well-paying office job somewhere. Should they pull themselves up by their bootstraps and aspire to these jobs? Sure. But then who pulls your artisinal coffee? Works the counter at your lunch spot? Sweeps the dogshit and needles off the sidewalk? What about hospital staff? University staff? City workers?
Waiting tables or bartending at a decent spot can earn you a sort-of healthy amount if you’re lucky but what about the support staff without whom the restaurant wouldn’t even function? After closing an underpaid cleanup crew works until 3AM then another comes in at 5 or 6AM to prep. Independent businesses (even the classiest) rely on lost-cost labor.
What are these workers supposed to do? The minimum wage is high here but it’s not enough to realistically compensate for the extremely high cost of public transportation or bridge tolls, gas and related car ownership expenses. It’s incredibly cost prohibitive for someone who makes even $20 an hour to cross from the East Bay daily, let alone $10. The immediate south of San Francisco is also largely expensive.
Tenderloin? More expensive than the Mission. Soma, the Richmond, the Sunset? Still not cheap and and rising like the rest of the city. Outer Mission, Bayview? Getting there.
Crime? Surprise, it followed you here. Gang violence is its own thing but the uptick of violent muggings, etc. getting closer and closer to Mission St. arrived with your wallets. It’s going to get far worse before it gets better. The thieves and homeless aren’t going away, they’re going to become more dense as wealthier prey become the norm and as folks with low income become more desperate to make ends meet. Guess what? People actually take the BART to rob and panhandle where the money is.
An extra dose of shame to any of you condo-dwellers, etc. who believe they have any sort of social conscience. Please do the city a favor and move to a nice, nearby suburb. There’ll be fewer homeless drug addicts and less puke on your stoop. You can afford to commute here, the rest of us can’t, and the city can’t run without us. Enjoy your NPR and Obama? Then what part of you thinks displacing people who’ve lived here for years, decades and generations is acceptable?
It’s a great neighborhood in spite of you, not because of you, and it’s been better.
If I were suddenly loaded would I stay? Maybe, this is my home. Would I buy a condo in this neighborhood? Rent a $2-5,000/mo studio/one bedroom? No way. Shit’s tacky.
Very, very well said. Thanks.
And I still do not get the constant rant and hating of “condo owners” or property owners. What’s the issue really about?
Let me ask you. If you had the income and money tomorrow to buy a nice house or condo in SF, would you? or would you put up with living with 5 roommates, sharing one bath and ratty kitchen?
What would you do?
What I would do, and am doing, is rent a nice place (without roommates), and keep a fat savings cushion that’s earmarked for possible future rent increases/eviction/etc. SF is one of the few places where studies have bourne out that buying (vs. renting) just doesn’t make economic sense*… and as a result, it seems like a good portion of the people who buy in SF do so because they are seeking a romanticized view of homeownership that’s a shorthand for being an adult, have the “American dream,” being “successful,” etc., and I think that’s what people respond to that rubs them the wrong way. It comes out, rather inarticulately, as “hating on property owners.”
What I love about SF is that I believe it has a culture of rejecting the mainstream view that requires checking certain boxes (get married, have some kids, buy a house, go to Disney World) in order to achieve success/adulthood. I think many property owners in SF come across as being box-checkers by virtue of their somewhat economically irrational decision to check that particular box.
I’m NOT saying that applies to you personally (I don’t even know you!), and it definitely doesn’t apply to everyone who owns a home in SF — I’m just trying to deconstruct what I think some of the hostility is about, in order to answer the question you posed.
*Leaving aside, for the moment, the fact that there are other non-economic reasons to buy, such as difficulty in finding rentals that are not anti-dog, etc.
I’m very thankful that I was able to finally buy a place in the Mission. It has been difficult – no fancy dinners on Valencia Street for me – but now I have far more control over my destiny in the city that I love. Of course, it’s different for everyone, but I never felt like this as a renter. Best of luck to you.
Congrats to Ted for working hard, sacrificing and succeeding your goal of home ownership.
I wish you the best of luck and enjoy your new home.
Welcome to the world of weekly official city citations for graffiti on your property, and budgeting for fines for graffiti removal by the city. Bet you never had to deal with that as a renter.
Everybody clap your hands for Ted. He made great strides in neighborhood improvement by making the difficult decision to give up fancy Valencia Street dinners. Kudos to you Ted for your hard work and dedication. We all hope the generation of yuppie kids who grow up in the Mission learn from you and make even greater progress when they gentrify Oakland.
I will definitely applaud Ted. I doubt it was only no more fancy dinners on V street that got him where he is today though.
I will always applaud people who work hard and achieve their goals. Maybe some of the people who are getting outpriced of the neighborhood they love should be taking notes? Here’s a few notes:
“work longer hours”
“Save every fucking penny” &
“quit yer bitchin” ?
If you can’t afford to live where you want you have two choices: (1) Earn more money (2) Move.
Expecting a neighborhood to not change because you can’t afford it is bullshit. You should be embarrassed.
I guess my mileage has varied a great deal from your studies. I own, after the crash of ’08 I was underwater. I doubled down though, reduced my mortgage and monthly payments. I still have plenty of cushion in the bank. Last I checked I’m up $150k on my place. I could at this point move to Lake County and start gentrifying the hillbilly meth heads the hell out of there. Get a nice pear orchard, grow some medicinal herb all the while renting my Mission place for twice my mortgage.
Congrats. Home ownership does have its’ rewards; long term it pays off. I too am “way up” on my place, giving me many options as to where to live and buy my next place with cash, when I decide to slow down and live a slower paced life.
Lake county is pretty cool too. I like the Coachella Valley, myself.
Again, Wizzer is just being his normal clueless wanker self. Please to not engage his pointless clueless wankery.
But Doktor Cucumber you keep responding to my comments and of course resorting to childish name calling. Btw: I think Cucumber is endearing not mean.
I’m not sure I follow your argument. The city is expensive and so…what? No one should be allowed to buy a house or a condo? Rents should be kept low by who? City government? We already have rent control, thank God, which I’m a big fan of, but I don’t know what more you’re asking for.
As far as telling anyone who owns a place and has a social conscience to move to the suburbs, great plan. That’ll open up all those places to people who can afford them and DON’T have a social conscience. What a utopia you’ll build.
Does this fall under the ISWNOCHFS?
I think a lot of people around here agree with your sentiment, but “people should stop moving here” isn’t a workable solution.
Who got kicked out to make room for you?
Amen… Exactly what LH said! I think they said it for all of us.
I request a moratorium on all links to anything indybay.org has said or will say.
+1 hundred billion. fuck indybay
Sucks to be poor
I’d also like to point out the irony that these exact condos were marketed with the statement that “every surface is covered in art” on the Valencia Corridor. That kind of gets back to the ridiculousness of this specific development….it’s actually selling units by promoting a lot of the same things that it is helping to displace (artists, service workers, etc). http://www.299valencia.com/
I think Hazbeen just said the most telling and perhaps the most stupid comment ever regarding gentrification and change: “…the people who are FORCED to commit crime due to displacement and lack of opportunity…”
I don’t think that’s a stupid comment at all. All the talk I hear about hard work doesn’t really seem to add up at all to my personal experiences. Certainly hard work can help to improve one’s financial status. However, as someone who has befriended many people of many different economic backgrounds, I find the only real difference between those who have a lot and those who don’t has more to do with getting and seizing opportunities. Not everyone is so lucky to get the opportunities you may have had. It’s not uncommon for people to have resort to shady sources of income just to get by.
I think it’s sad when a 22 year old has experienced more of the world than someone who I assume to be years older than I am. Enjoy your bubble, I’m sure it’s very cozy in there.
OMG. I can’t believe you actually said what you said: You actually endorsed what Hazbeen said: that committing crimes to “get by” is acceptable and ok to you.
Seriously, you are off your rocker. When we start thinking it’s ok to commit crimes to make a living, any kind of living, then we have all degenerated into the gutter.
Actually, that’s not what she said. Stating that something happens for various reasons isn’t the same as endorsing it (and I’m pretty sure you know this). It is kind of cute watching you continuously harp on 1 of 87 comments to make a point without really responding to anything. You’ve done a great job at re-enforcing stereotypes of Noe Valley homeowners though.
“It’s not uncommon for people to have resort to shady sources of income just to get by.”
it’s not precisely endorsing, but it’s not far off, bub.
I was actually just stating that his statement wasn’t stupid. There are in fact people who are forced to commit crimes just to get by in lives that didn’t provide the same opportunities others may have gotten. I don’t endorse these crimes, nor do I do them myself, but I do UNDERSTAND that people are forced into many different situations to survive. How difficult of a concept is that to get?
And honestly, are all crimes really that bad? (Again not endorsing, just decriminalizing.) Sex work comes immediately to mind. The Sit/Lie ordinance is an even bigger one that outshines the rest. I could go on, but I don’t want to derail my original point. That point being that you’ve had a very nice life that’s lead to your unintentional ignorance to problems others might face. I don’t blame you though, if I had such a closed world view I’d probably hate homeless people too. I mean those monsters relieve themselves on the street, how absolutely vile.
Yep. Well said.
Oh lord jeezus of the gutter: dear, dear Lillian, you are just digging yourself into a deep hole the more you write. There is no way to can squirm and manipulate yourself of this with sympathy and greasy tears.
1. You really do believe that some people are “forced” to commit crimes, because they have few “opportunities” than (me) or others who work hard and maintain a CRIME-FREE life. Who forces these people into crimes? Help us out on this big lie.
2. So now you have decided that some crimes are not as bad as other crimes? WTF? The discussion is not about the “badness” level of crimes.
3. You don’t know that I (or others successful) have had a “very nice life” or not. How presumptuous of you.
Any further thoughts on my part regarding your out of your mind viewpoints would only lead me to become a raging alcoholic.
Which could happen very soon, since I’m late for dinner with my Noe Valley buds at Tacolicious.
Well now we know wizzer is trolling. He had me going for a while, but this is clearly over the top.
Well played, sir, well played.
“But then who pulls your artisinal coffee? Works the counter at your lunch spot? Sweeps the dogshit and needles off the sidewalk? What about hospital staff? University staff? City workers?”
The whole lot. Built by engineers, for engineers.
I want robotic hookers on Capp St.
And let’s not forget how preposterous it is to lump hospital staff, university staff and city workers into some sort of low income group. The city and county alone employ thousands of people at six-figure incomes.
Exactly. Many employees in the SF Planning Department make over $100k per year.
Be careful..all those robots are made in China and your engenier ass will be looking for desperate overpriced housing as well if you are not careful! History does repeat itself.. Wait until you are on the forced out side one day… I can not wait to see how one like you handles it! Just sayin… be careful what you wish for!
Everyone is talking about Graffiti removal, but I think these tags are etched into the glass (some type of acid?). Therefore we’re probably talking full glass replacement…
Nice job kiddo. 15 seconds of fame are over. Others will always have to clean up after you.
I’ve seen these guys (or their competition) in action on Polk. They actually do a pretty remarkable job..no replacement needed: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mG5tJKnpUeM
So given all the Condo haterade, you guys do realize that 4 of the units in this building were set aside as Below Market Rate units, right? The city requires any development more than 5 units to include a certain percentage of BMR units, or pay a pretty sizable fee. Which, presumably, the city uses to fund affordable housing at other locations.
And these BMR units are pretty well regulated with strict guidelines for who qualifies. A friend of mine and his girlfriend bought a BMR unit on Harrison, and they are hella broke. Like high school teacher and full time artist broke.
One problem with these below market rate places is that you cannot sell them for a profit. So if you qualify to buy one, then later want to sell it, it cannot be for more than you paid for it. Makes for a really shitty investment.
that’s actually not true: “New BMR units will be repriced according to change in the median income from the time of the current owner’s purchase to the time of sale. Specific repricing methods vary by development per the Planning Approval and applicable Procedures Manual for each unit.
The price of a BMR unit at resale is not guaranteed to exceed the initial purchase price of the unit. However, most long term BMR owners tend to see some appreciation on their units upon resale. Appreciation gained on a BMR unit upon resale belongs to the BMR owner minus all loans, closing costs, and any shared appreciation due from a City downpayment assistance loan.”
So, one could conceivably OWE money if they buy a BMR now and sell, say, after the next big one?
so that’s a good deal for people who were born in the mission and want to live here forever. we have a lot of those on this blog. horns!
As AttF pointed out, it does actually appreciate, but at a specified rate. This is to keep people from gaming this system by buying it at a below market rate, then immediately flipping it at market rate and pocketing the difference.
But in a larger sense, BMR units are not meant to give people investment opportunities, they’re meant to give people HOMES. And that they do.
Thanks for the clarification!
We need to stop any change from ever happening. I suggest we go back to the way everything was in the good old days when I first moved here. Then and only then will I be happy, because all change is bad and should be stopped.
Yea, exactly. and that’s what a lot of the “change haters” think with their stubborn little comments.
I think everyone hates yuppies because they act like, well, yuppies. Just because you have some money and went to college doesn’t mean you have to act like a clueless jackass.
“clueless jackass” as described in this post above http://www.missionmission.org/2012/08/22/fuck-off-yuppies-says-new-graffiti-on-299-valencia-condo-complex/#comment-60761
I have some money but I didn’t go to college. (well, I went but didn’t get a diploma)
I worked hard and saved my money. Weird right?
Does that mean I’m not a yuppie and can I or can I not be a clueless jackass? lil help? [oooh maybe I just answered my own question]
I wrote on this subject.. Take a look and let me know what you think….
… not you Wizzer. I dont want to hear it.. I have heard enough of your self righteous indignation for one lifetime!
Oh, you don’t have to hear, but I’ll just say it.
So,seriously? dance clubs and bars are the MOST important element of urban living to you, and their constant changing and evolving is all you can write about?
Ok. You’re a real piece of work.
Funny you say that because i do not drink. At all. You clearly were not living here then so, how would you possibly know that that article is about oh so much more. And… i have over 350 blog posts and you read one of them and then come at me like an expert? You are truly a total tool and a big waist of my time and ink. Be lame. No one is going to change you. You are going to just think you know everything because you are filled with egotistic NIMBY attitude. You just need to shut up for god sake for once! Dont you ever take a breath? Or go outside even? Actually, dont answer that. I dont care and you dont matter. Have a nice life and quit talking to me.
LOL..this is becoming actually pretty entertaining.
1. I never said you drink, nor implied you did.
2. I have lived here since 1974 and used to go all the time with my friends to the Endup; loved it. Great place.
3.You used the wrong word “waist” in the context of this discussion. It’s actually “waste”. You need to work on your spelling and grammar a bit.
4. Who said I knew everything?
5. I actually go outside a lot: lots of biking, lots of urban walking, hiking, camping.
I’m really intrigued, well not that much, but where your anger comes from.
Not weird in my book. Smart.
Wow — this thread is a complete toilet! Thanks, Mission Mission commenters, for giving us that.
Flush twice, LA needs the water.
My (absolutely justified) anger comes from windbags like you. You really do think that you ARE the shit huh? Whatever you need to make you feel ok i guess. But i still think you are a total no style douche. That will never change no matter how many times you try and change my mind. If you cant get my anger source, then you are just too stupid to continue playing your game with you because YOU are my source of anger… and all you pathetically represent. It doesnt surprise me that you can not see yourself as the biggest d-bag out there when all you see is how cool you are. Remember… You are not cool in my eyes at all and from the sound of this board, you aint that cool to a bunch of pretty cool sounding people. So, do us all a favor and take a frickin break! It is like you think you are this board’s unofficial mouth piece. You are not, just the unofficial ignorant moron. Now, like i said before, quit talking to me. I will not reply to your lame responses, because i am on the verge of becoming more like you and i would rather slit my wrists. now shut up and get a life and quit replying to every little fuckin thing! Jeesh!
BPG: Wizzer is just a troll, he doesn’t actually believe any of the stuff he’s spouting. He’s just looking for a reaction. Took me a while to understand that, but then I finally realized that NO-ONE believes the crazy-ass stuff he claims to. He got me good, and now he’s getting you.
Oh, honey, if my thoughts are crazy ass, then I can’t begin to envision what yours are. That’s scary.
Ain’t gonna work, dude. I’m on to you and your shenanigans now.
Don’t fall for it, dude — bluepearlgirl is the same asshole!
I guess i will own it and be proud to be an asshole. Whoever wants can call me an asshole. Amongst my friends, i kinda call it a compliment! They know it is because i dont let people push me around (and i used to be a huge pushover!). If that makes me an asshole… so be it. I can live with that.
I know. Thanks for the message. I hate that he got my time in this discussion… He did get me, but now, i get to get him back by ignoring that he ever was born. Why do people always have to be instigators? He does make quite the poster child for the asshole gentrification set. I know not all of the people who moved here to make themselves a better life are in this category, but he SURE is! He is what gives them a bad name and reputation! He must not have any friends, family or a therapist, because he could be talking about this shit with them if he wasnt such a lonely bastard!
Have a great weekend!
Your insane writing and your even more insane and uneducated and uninformed preconceived notions about me (and other happy successful people in SF) continue to entertain me and intrigue me.
I’m fascinated that you can NOT have a conversation without anger in your writing and resorting to childish name calling. When will you learn, my dear?
And it’s perfectly ok that you don’t respond, but every time you come here you will read it.
BTW: your comment about me not having a therapist is over the top deliciously funny. Because I don’t.
This is delicious stuff. It’s going in my book about how diverse (well, wacky too) San Francisco really is.
I’m actually impressed with how much power I appear to possess triggering your emotions. Seriously, that’s awesome.
But you don’t make me angry, you just make me more intrigued; as to why you are so angry. Do you have no joy left in your life?
I like reading through a post that will make people
think. Also, thank you for allowing me to comment!
A major shake up in the market. I mean the BIG ONE will bring prices down. In Berlin it is not talk it is taking the problem into their hands and doing some thing physical.
fuck off is a kind of attitude,when I was young I’d like to use F-word too to express myself!
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